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- From: csmith@plains.NoDak.edu (Carl Smith)
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- Subject: Re: 12V Power Amplifier Design
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- Date: 27 Jan 93 19:02:13 GMT
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- In article <C1It67.5E5@world.std.com> DPierce@world.std.com (Richard D Pierce) writes:
- >
- >It's now a trivial excercise to design and mass produce car audio
- >electronics that have output amplifiers that run of supply rails that are
- >much in excess of 12 volts. Try, for example, supply rails of +- 50 volts.
- >Before we see how, let's see what this gets us. Assuming a couple of volts
- >drop across the output fevices when they're fully conducting (a generous
- >assumption but what the hey), that gives you a peak-to-peak output
- >capability of +- 48volts, which translates, by your math (which I will
- >accept as essentially correct) to an output power 143.9 watts into 8 ohms.
- >I would hope that you agree that this is a bit more than the couple of
- >what figures you came up with.
-
- And it will deliver 288W into 4 ohm speakers, assuming it can handle
- them.
-
- >Poof! like magic, you have a perfectly realizable 150 watt amplifier
- >running off a 12 volt car battery. (The downside, of course, is that when
- >you realize the the switching converter runs probably 80% efficiency, and
- >the am, if biased class AB runs at best about 43%, then we have to have
- >about 420 watts running into the beast, which implies an input current at
- >13.8 volts of about 30 amps. And there are people who drive vehicles with
- >systems having capabilities in the multi-killowatt range, implying many
- >hundreds of amps of current draw. Gulp!)
-
- This is where I have trouble accepting the amps that deliver many hundreds
- of watts of power. I have no trouble accepting that it is possible to
- pump hundreds of watts into normal 4 and 8 ohm speakers by stepping the
- voltage up, I don't see how the car's electrical system can supply the
- necessary current for any length of time more than a couple minutes.
- I have plans for a stereo 300W/channel amp, and it gets that rating by
- stepping up the supply to about 50 volts, and by using 4 ohm speakers.
- When tested, it actually clips at about 290 WPC. Now, assuming that
- the amp and supply are 100% efficient, that would take over 48 amps
- at 12 volts. If you consider the 80% and 43% given above, that comes
- to 140 amps at 12 volts. Now you understand why people with these
- kinds of amps run power cables directly to the battery, and the cables
- are the same size as the battery cables. Well, batteries can deliver
- many hundreds of amps for short periods, but they must be recharged
- by the alternator. And the alternator in my car can put out only 60
- amps, and a major portion of that goes to running the cars electrical
- system, especialy when the lights are on. What I am wondering is if
- people with these amps have dead batteries all the time...
-
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