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- From: scottcr@wkuvx1.bitnet
- Newsgroups: sci.electronics
- Subject: Re: RADAR, RADAR ECM, and RADAR ECCM
- Message-ID: <1993Jan26.124059.5230@wkuvx1.bitnet>
- Date: 26 Jan 93 18:40:59 GMT
- References: <Jan.20.12.40.11.1993.25528@trident.usacs.rutgers.edu> <107823@bu.edu> <careyj.727992636@spot.Colorado.EDU>
- Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY
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- In article <careyj.727992636@spot.Colorado.EDU>, careyj@spot.Colorado.EDU (CAREY JOSEPH M) writes:
- > np4@prism.gatech.EDU (Nick Pomponio) writes:
- >
- >>The ECM device can be a simple repeater applying amplitude modulation to
- >>the received signal. The AM frequency would be a function of the actual
- >>velocity, the desired (deception) velocity, and radar signal wavelength.
- >>Simple AM will produce two false velocity "targets"; the undesired one
- >>could be supprssed by using a single sideband AM scheme.
- >
- >>--
- >>POMPONIO,NICHOLAS A
- >
- > Okay, in theory I'll buy this, but lets see how it would work in
- > practice. You'd need to detect (very quickly) the signal, have some
- > kind of a system wired up that would determine how much frequency
- > (i.e. apparent doppler) shift to apply, and retransmit that signal
- > (presumably with something that radiates independently of phi, like
- > a dipole). Further, you would need to make sure that you would not
- > detect the signal that you would be transmitting, which is only
- > a few hundred Hz (if memory serves we're talking about 30 Hz/mph,
- > but I could be wrong) off the one you received, or your repeater would
- > lock up. And keep in mind that you'll be transmitting significantly
- > more power than that which is received.
- >
- > Yeah, I'll believe that it can be done. It would even provide some
- > interesting engineering challenges, but this strikes me as the kind
- > of problem people solve for the fun of solving it, not because they
- > really need ECM for their CAR (an F-16, yeah, but not my Plymouth).
- > Also, to design this properly, you would need some pretty expensive gear.
- >
- > Just a thought. I'd sure like to see the results somebody else comes
- > up with, but for me this reminds me of hacking computers -- an interesting
- > problem that I don't want to spend too much time on.
- >
- >
- > Sure is an interesting discussion, though.
- >
- > Joe Carey
- > joe@lobos.colorado.edu
- >
- O.K. how are we gonna do this? A linear transponder with (30 hz /mph
- upconverter?); Problems with in/out isolation.
- Maybe since we really
- don't need a truckload of transmit signal (the radar unit is seeing
- 1 / (it's signal * 4PI * dist to car^2 * refl coef * dist back^2)
- so if we retransmit say +10 dBm into a horn with 10 db gain that
- should cover it.
- A balanced modulator would have to be used for mixing as the signals
- would be too close in frequency to filter; but the image being present
- may give us trouble too (does the radar care if it's "coming or going?".
- I am going to guess that
- two horns facing forward spaced say two feet apart are going to have
- about 40+ dB isolation, so this limits the throughput gain (again since
- the freqs are too tight to filter), What about polarization?
-
-
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