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- From: nagle@netcom.com (John Nagle)
- Subject: Re: DC to AC on large scale???
- Message-ID: <1993Jan23.175914.817@netcom.com>
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- References: <1993Jan21.095254.62979@cc.usu.edu> <1jmre4INNfks@rave.larc.nasa.gov> <1993Jan22.145954.15802@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>
- Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 17:59:14 GMT
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- ers1@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (eugene.r.schroeder) writes:
- >In article <1jmre4INNfks@rave.larc.nasa.gov> kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov (Scott Dorsey) writes:
- >>In article <1993Jan21.095254.62979@cc.usu.edu> slmdj@cc.usu.edu writes:
- >>>He is an assistant city engineer for Adelanto, CA, and told me that the way
- >>>their power is distributed to a large substation is Direct Current!
-
- >>They do it with silicon, believe it or not! They have thyristor switches
- >>taller than a man, and switch the DC. This way, they can run DC on the
- >>long lines at high voltage, which is advantageous since they get more
- >>power over the same wire (since the limiting factor on the lines is the
- >>peak voltage before arc-over, and the peak voltage on DC is also equal
- >>to the average).
-
- Yes, there are thyristors that big. First big power application
- was a power line across the English Channel (submarine cable). The
- Continental and British grids aren't synchronized, and the proposed
- tie wasn't strong enough to keep them synched, so they had to use DC.
-
- Thyristors are now available in sizes suitable for locomotive and
- elevator power controls. BART was the first rail system with solid-state
- power controls, and it was a big headache in the early days. Earlier
- rail systems worked by switching motor windings around through various
- series-parallel combinations, giving a limited number of speeds and
- jerkey transitions. There were, though, some "electronic" locomotives
- in the 1950s that used ignitrons, which are a mercury-vapor device that
- works like a thyatron or SCR.
-
- Have elevators all gone solid-state, or are systems with motor
- generator sets still being installed? Classical elevator control uses
- a motor-generator set, with an AC motor and a DC generator, driving a
- DC elevator controller. The field current of the DC generator is adjusted
- to control acceleration. A generator has "gain" when used in this way.
- This seems an obsolete approach, but there are certainly many still running.
-
- John Nagle
-