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- From: ken@iat.holonet.net (Ken Easlon)
- Subject: Re: "Falling" Asleep
- Message-ID: <C18q4v.507@iat.holonet.net>
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- References: <106066@netnews.upenn.edu>
- Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 05:34:06 GMT
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- In article <106066@netnews.upenn.edu>,
- rowe@pender.ee.upenn.edu (Mickey Rowe) writes:
-
- >But seriously, since we're back to a public forum, does *anybody* else
- >understand what it means to say that your "dream" head and your real
- >head are lined up? My dreams don't seem to exist in the same space as
- >my waking life, which is why I've lost track of what this is supposed
- >to mean...
-
- Allow me to recap. This thread started out with Ruth Ginzberg's question:
-
- > Does anyone know what causes the sensation (when just falling asleep)
- > of sudden literal falling, followed by a startle reaction that wakes
- > you right up?
-
- I opined that I think it's associated with loss of gravity perception (I
- actually said disconnection of gravity sensors) in the sleep state, going
- on to explain (vainly) the difference between a sense of "down" in dreams
- verses the perception of gravity in the waking state.
-
- In arguing that sleep "down" is not true gravity down I resorted to the
- Easlon theory of imagery orientation, sleep verses waking, and incurred the
- disagreement of Mickey Rowe.
-
- As I understand it, Mickey's view is that the dream head might be at any
- random orientation, but lines up with the real head upon awakening, giving
- the illusion that the dream world is at a ninety degree angle with the real
- world.
-
- My view is that the dream head and real head are always in alignment, and
- that the 90 degree relationship between the real world and the dream world
- is actual and not illusory.
-
- My primary data for this belief is a lot of experience in a hypnagogic
- state where I can see dream imagery and real world imagery at the same
- time, and they are at right angles. There is no sense of shifting head
- orientation.
-
- My backup argument is that conceptual imagery has a top and bottom which is
- usually aligned with the top and bottom of the head.
-
- In any event, I think Mickey and I agree that the sense of "down" in dreams
- is imaginary. This would be consistent with my explanation of Ginzberg's
- falling sensation as being the normal sleep-time loss of gravity perception
- at a time before sleep has fully arrived.
-
- As regards concept/dream orientation (the angle of a conceptual or dream
- image with respect to the head), I'm willing to go on talking about it as
- long as anybody wants to.
-
-
- --
- Ken Easlon
- ken@holonet.net
-
-