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- From: rbunge@access.digex.com (Robert Bunge)
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- Subject: Re: Making a long fl mirror- how difficult?
- Date: 24 Jan 1993 17:38:56 -0500
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- In article <1993Jan19.210716.10715@cs.wayne.edu> mje@pookie.pass.wayne.edu writes:
- >All the texts I've read on mirror making suggest starting with an f/8 mirror. I'd
- >like to make a 6" or 8" mirror of significantly longer focal length- say, f/15
- >or even longer. Configured as a herschelian with no obstruction this should make
- >an absolutely smashing planetary scope at a small fraction of the cost of a
- >refractor of equal size.
- >
- >My question is, how difficulty is it to make an f/15 or f/20 mirror? I know that
- >you needn't parabolize once you've gone beyond f/10 or f/12, but there must be
- >some difficulties in making a curve that shallow. What techniques are used? I'm
- >guessing you'd use a very short stroke in grinding, but beyond that I have no
- >idea.
-
- I've seen one and heard of others making 4.25-inch f/15-20 single mirror
- Herschelen type systems. The 4-inch that I saw give very nice planetary
- images but the seeing wasn't that great the night I used it.
-
- The way I understand it, the problems of making such a mirror is that it is
- easy to miss the desired radius of curvature by a good sized fraction -- in
- other words, you tend to missed the desired focal length by several inchs.
-
- Be prepared to send a least a little time grinding the mirror surface of the
- blank flat by flipping mirror and tool on top. This requirement will depend
- on how flat and free of defects the blank is. Some have pretty high ridges
- that are removed in the course of grinding in a deeper curve. The other
- thing is start rough grinding with 120 grit.
-
- Some years ago (1981?) S&T ran an article by Richard Berry describing the
- construction of a classic single lens long focus refractor. Also, in
- one of the classic Amateur Telescope Making books, Dall has an article about
- making a very long focus refractor objective. I believe both of these articles
- deal a bit with this topic.
-
- >
- >Another thought: As an f/20 6" scope would be 10 feet long, would it be possible
- >to fold the light path via an off-axis flat secondary? Would an f/20 be tolerant
- >of the misalignment?
- >
- > --mike
-
- IMHO, the size of these monsters are the biggest problem. They are very
- hard to mount. A guy showed up at Astrofest in 1988 with a 6-inch f/24
- herschelian on a _hugh_ cross axis mount. Even then, the mount was
- somewhat shaky. But, I noticed that most people declined to make the
- 20 foot climb up the step ladder even through the views of Mars were
- outstanding.
-
- Bob Bunge
- rbunge@access.digex.com
- >
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