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- From: Leigh Palmer <palmer@sfu.ca>
- Subject: Re: Toutatis Captured by Radar Images
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- In article <schumach.727766698@convex.convex.com> Richard A. Schumacher,
- schumach@convex.com writes:
- >>what it tells us about origins. The rms velocity between any two
- asteroids
- >>is about 5 km/s -- somewhat more near the Earth's orbit. Collisions
- >>between such objects would be catastrophically destructive. So the
- joined
- >>fragments must have been previously in orbit as satellites of the
- asteroid,
- >>brought down gradually by tidal forces until a gentle contact occurred.
-
- This inadvertently unattributed quote is from Tom Van Flandern, of course.
- I'm taking this slightly indirect means to pose a question regarding it.
- Tom,
- the 5 km/s rms two-particle velocity is indeed a nice number; I'd never
- seen
- it before. I'd like to know a little of the detail which went into the
- calculation (a citation, perhaps, or will it be in the book?). In
- particular, I'd like to know if the mean is for a sample of pairs of belt
- asteroids taken at random, or of (potential) asteroid collisions. The
- latter sample would
- have an additional selection effect enhancement by a factor of the
- closing velocity. A higher rms relative velocity should obtain for the
- latter sample than for the former.
-
- >Mmmm, not necessarily. A small body striking a larger one might easily
- >disrupt the larger without dispersing the pieces. No doubt someone has
- >already attempted to calculate a distribution of such collisions based
- >on the known distribution of asteroid sizes and orbits.
- >Remember that so far these contact binaries have been observed only at
- >low resolution. I'll predict that higher resolution images will show
- >most of them to consist of "rubble piles", that is, many pieces of
- >varied sizes, not just two big ones. (If so,
- >they ought to named Barksian asteroids, after artist Carl Barks who first
- >suggested the idea.) What does your theory predict?
-
- I also wanted to comment on this suggestion. Who needs an artist? Nature
- herself has given us an exemplar - Miranda, the enigmatic inner satellite
- of Uranus. These violent collisions may be said to "Mirandize" a minor
- planet. (Since that neologism seems to have entered the lexicon already
- from a different direction, such collisions could be confused with police
- brutality.)
-
- >(By the way: is the exploded planet idea a consequence of your Meta
- Theory?)
-
- Mr. Schumacher, you are guilty of reification in the first degree.
- Historical events cannot be consequences of subsequently propounded
- theories. If logical convention did not prohibit it then violation of
- causality would!
-