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- From: bweiner@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Benjamin Weiner)
- Newsgroups: sci.astro
- Subject: Re: Modelling the expanding universe?
- Message-ID: <Jan.22.18.22.58.1993.8665@ruhets.rutgers.edu>
- Date: 22 Jan 93 23:22:58 GMT
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- I would like to point out to Tom and others that I never suggested
- that the solar system was contracting, in the sense that the actual
- radii of orbits were getting smaller. It should be obvious that I do not
- believe this since I supported Tom in arguing that if the solar system
- were expanding the effect on orbits would be detectable. Of course,
- just because you don't believe something doesn't mean someone won't
- ascribe that belief to you anyway.
-
- I was, rather, trying to say that Newtonian gravitational collapse
- and a "contracting universe" were two sides of the same coin.
- Consider two points separated by a small amount in the early universe
- with some tiny mass-excess in between them (say the points are particles
- destined to wind up in our galaxy.) In the early universe, the points
- will separate due to the overall expansion, but as matter collapses
- into the overdense region the points will eventually fall into it and
- come together again, like long-lost cousins. Here are some kludgy
- ASCII graphics:
- --------------
- -------- --------
- early *------ -----_____ galaxy forms
- *------ -----
- -------- --------
- --------------
- time ----->
-
- The lines represent geodesics followed by the particles. I hope
- this shows
-
- I will now answer another question of Tom's. I had stated that regions
- whose density is greater than somewhat above the critical density of
- the universe do not participate in the general expansion; thus the solar
- system, and galaxy, are not expanding. Tom asked, if the density is
- so much greater than the critical density, why don't these regions
- collapse like expanding universes in reverse?
-
- Obviously, one could say that a star's collapse to a dense remnant or
- black hole is something like that, but I find that unsatisfying. Tom
- is asking, why don't these regions behave like miniature closed
- universes? The answer is, boundary conditions. You have to match
- the overdense region onto the rest of the universe. We observe that
- the universe as a whole is fairly close to flat at the present time,
- and a closed-universe geometry can't be "matched up" to the flat
- geometry, unless the curvature of the dense region is itself almost
- flat.
-
- Consider the solar system. Why does it not shrink into itself like
- a shrinking balloon, the reverse of the expanding balloon usually
- used as an analogy for the expanding universe? After all, the solar
- system is much more dense than the critical density. The reason
- is that it has to match onto the essentially flat space outside
- the solar system. I think that now I have said enough on this topic.
-