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- From: metares@well.sf.ca.us (Tom Van Flandern)
- Subject: Re: "Modeling" the Expanding Universe? (was Re: That Great Pulsar Timing Flame War)
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- References: <1993Jan19.053505.6256@athena.mit.edu> <C15vrI.6yp@well.sf.ca.us> <schumach.727668515@scofflaw>
- Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 07:20:27 GMT
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- Earlier, I wrote:
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- >> the solar system has about 20 orders of magnitude higher matter density
- >> than the universe. If much weaker matter densities will cause space in
- >> the universe to eventually contract, why doesn't it cause space in the
- >> solar system to contract now?
-
- and schumach@convex.com (Richard A. Schumacher) replied:
-
- > Good golly, is it really necessary to state this? The angular momentum of
- > the solar system keeps it from collapsing! Without it, the solar system
- > would collapse in a few years. Same argument for superclusters, etc. The
- > universe, OTOH, appears to have negligible net angular momentum, but also
- > has much lower average density.
-
- Indeed, you state the obvious, which I think no one has overlooked.
- The effect of gravity on matter is well-studied and well known. To a first
- approximation, it is Newtonian in its behavior. Your remark refers to the
- effect of gravity on matter. That is not part of the dilemma we were
- discussing.
-
- My question above refers to the effect of gravity on spacetime, as
- hypothesized by the big bang theory and described in GR. The gravity of
- the universe has no net effect (so far as we know) on galaxies or any other
- matter in the universe. (If it did, in what direction could it possibly
- act if the big bang had no center?) In particular, it does not make
- galaxies move through space (see other concurrent messages). But it does
- have a retarding effect on the expansion of spacetime. But spacetime has
- no angular momentum that we know of, either in the universe at large or in
- the solar system. So your argument is inapplicable to my question.
-
- Implicit in my question is the assumption that if local spacetime
- expanded or contracted, that would add or subtract space between the Sun
- and the planets. So we could detect such a change by measuring the
- distances of planets, just as we detect cosmological redshift by measuring
- galaxies. -|Tom|-
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- Tom Van Flandern / Washington, DC / metares@well.sf.ca.us
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