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- From: markw@hpcss01.cup.hp.com (Mark Williams)
- Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:53:27 GMT
- Subject: Re: Re: 3 phase question
- Message-ID: <64770043@hpcss01.cup.hp.com>
- Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
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- The truth is that new three phase motors are lower-priced than
- single phase motors of equal power. They are simpler, since
- they don't need a start winding with its cetrifugal switch and capacitor.
- The they use less copper and iron too. Check out the price of a Unisaw with
- 5 HP motor, three phase versus single phase. The three phase unit is
- about $100 less, and lighter.
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- On the used market, there is a tremendous oversupply of three phase units.
- This crushes prices. You can of course swap motors in some cases. The
- savings is usually eaten up by the cost of the new single-phase motors
- and conversion labor. Most dealers know this, and price accordingly.
-
- The first poster had it right, it is relatively easy to come up with a cheap
- three phase converter. Once started, a three phase motor will run on single
- phase power and generate a pseudo third phase (90 degrees shifted, 160 VAC)
- on its third winding. All other three-phase motors running in the system
- will contribute also, so if you sequence the startup, the already running
- motors can help start others of higher power.
-
- SUMMARY
- The main advantage of using three-phase power is abilty to buy cheap used
- industrial grade machines. There are several ways to power them, with
- different conversion losses. The best way to go is with utility company
- three-phase, the second best is a real rotary converter (motor/generator
- on a single shaft, 97% efficient). The third best is the pseudo three-phase
- kludge described above. You sacrifice power output (only 80-90% of rated
- power). The least effective is to simply run off single phase, with the
- starting circuit described in an earlier post. You can only expect to get
- 66% of rated power, due to motor copper wiring limitations.
- Your 5 HP Unisaw would only see 3.3 HP. Sill a hell of a saw!
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