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- Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 10:55:48 -0500
- From: Stephen_Y._Chan@transarc.com
- Subject: Re: Mortal danger?
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- robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson) writes:
- > However, I can not avoid thinking from time to time of the warrior culture from
- > which a number of our present day arts descended. Unless I've been grossly
- > misled, dishonor was widely considered a fate worse than death, and the idea
- > of "mortal insult" not at all alien in feudal Japan.
- >
- > Amongst our own forebears, the idea of "live free or die" had a certain
- > amount of appeal. And in other circles, jihad is a compelling reason to
- > endanger life and limb.
- >
- > So, while it goes without saying that violence should only be entered in
- > grave extreme, just what exactly constitutes circumstances of sufficient
- > gravity seems to be open for interpretation.
-
- I agree entirely with Michael.
-
- There are all kinds of pleasant cliches like "violence is the last
- resort of the incompetent", or sentiments like one should only use
- violence when mortal danger is apparent.
- They are extremely idealistic, just like "death before
- dishonor" is very idealistic. But just adopting them because someone else
- says they are right is a little too sheeplike (IMNSHO).
-
- It seems to me that when you are only responsible for
- yourself, then you can be as humble as you damn well please. But if
- you are responsible for your family, your friends, your school, your
- style, whatever, then your personal humility may turn into some kind
- of communal shame or embarassment. All kinds of hairy concepts like
- honor and duty get thrown into the decision process. While they may
- seem empty and stupid to yourself, others may not feel the same way.
- Like they say, no man is an island.
-
- On the other hand, when you are responsible for others, your
- displays of "bravery" or "honor" may end up to embarrass your group
- more than the appropriate display of humility.
-
- The important thing is to _THINK_ - maybe in your situation,
- putting yourself at physical risk is necessary (even though you aren't
- in "mortal danger"). But maybe it's not. You have to decide for
- yourself whether or not its really worth it.
-
- As I see it, a martial artist takes calculated risks.
- A violent moron takes unnecessary risks.
-
- But I agree with the other folks in that I think that you are
- mistaken if you will only stand up to someone when you are "tougher".
- Instead of thinking "what is the Right Thing(tm) to do?", you are
- thinking "What can I get away with?"
- In my book, that's just petty opportunism. It may be clever,
- but its not particular mature or wise. Maybe you feel differently -
- who knows, maybe someday I'll feel differently too.
-
- Stephen
-