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- From: PA142548@utkvm1.utk.edu (T. Archer)
- Newsgroups: rec.guns
- Subject: Re: home protection concerns
- Message-ID: <PA142548.886.728158642@utkvm1.utk.edu>
- Date: 28 Jan 93 04:15:56 GMT
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- In article <C1H50s.Mqn@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> callison@kittyhawk.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) writes:
- #Who said anything about death and destruction? We're talking about a simple
- #hobby, where there is no criminal intent. And _that_ is what your
- #character witnesses can testify to. Paper punching is a legitimate,
- #recognized sport, with governing bodies--hell, it's an Olympic sport!
- #It's also sanctioned by the US Government--ever heard of DCM competitions?
- #(OK, so the DCM competitions are designed to ensure that we have soldiers
- #who can hit their targets if we're ever in such dire straits as to need
- #them, but it's still a sport, and it still doesn't involve "death and
- #destruction." How many DCM shooters actually plan to wind up taking shots
- #at other people?)
-
- Sure. I know that. You know that. David, the programmer in the next
- office over knows that. But if you get a procescutor with an animosity
- toward legitimate means of self-defense, and you watch you iterest in
- shooting sports get painted up as a "morbid facination... etc. ad nauseum."
-
- We need more shooters on juries. We need more safe, informed shooters,
- period.
-
- ###But you're right; we know better, and we're not the jury--although, by
- ###rights, a handloader should be tried by people who actually understand
- ###handloading and shooting. You know, that "jury of your peers" stuff...
- ##
- ##This is a mis-conception. You are not entitled to a "jury of your peers"
- ##over here, but a jury of "12 good men and true." A jury of your "peers" is
- ##a phrase from english common law meaning that peasants would not wind up
- ##haveing to judge nobles and nobles wouldn't get to judge peasants.
- #
- #Nowhere does the constitution say that you're entitled to any number
- #of jurors. It says that you are entitled to "a speedy and public
- #trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the
- #crime shall have been committed," and a few other things about the
- #actual process. It can be argued that a jury which is ignorant of
- #the facts re: handloading and shooting do not constitute an impartial
- #jury, but this is neither the time, nor the venue for such arguments...
-
- Yep. Mea culpa. I was trying to address the "of you peers" business, and I
- overstepped my knowledge.
-
- Lo siento.
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- [MODERATOR: I'd like to see this migrate elsewhere now that we are
- getting so much more into legalisms, etc. Thanks]
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