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- From: callison@kittyhawk.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison)
- Newsgroups: rec.guns
- Subject: Re: home protection concerns
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- Date: 27 Jan 93 03:37:50 GMT
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- In article <PA142548.871.727976341@utkvm1.utk.edu> PA142548@utkvm1.utk.edu (T. Archer) writes:
- #In article <C1CG68.JIJ@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> callison@kittyhawk.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) writes:
- ##Ahhh...but, if you've been purposely loading down, to get a more accurate
- ##_target_ load, that paints another picture entirely--along the lines of
- ##"I used what I had." It also provides you with another plus: if you've
- ##been developing target loads, that presumes the fact that you've been
- ##down to the range quite a bit, which intimates that you talk to the
- ##people there--relevant character witnesses. Who among us (who reloads)
- ##hasn't asked another reloader what kind of load he uses, and what his
- ##results are? If you're developing a load, and you're a steady customer
- ##of a range, they're going to be very good witnesses to the fact that you
- ##were devloping the load as a part of your legitimate, sporting hobby, not
- ##with the intention of dosing out lead-deficiency treatment.
- #
- #But this "morbid facination with engines of death and destruction" still
- #makes you a "gun nut."
-
- Who said anything about death and destruction? We're talking about a simple
- hobby, where there is no criminal intent. And _that_ is what your
- character witnesses can testify to. Paper punching is a legitimate,
- recognized sport, with governing bodies--hell, it's an Olympic sport!
- It's also sanctioned by the US Government--ever heard of DCM competitions?
- (OK, so the DCM competitions are designed to ensure that we have soldiers
- who can hit their targets if we're ever in such dire straits as to need
- them, but it's still a sport, and it still doesn't involve "death and
- destruction." How many DCM shooters actually plan to wind up taking shots
- at other people?)
-
- ##But you're right; we know better, and we're not the jury--although, by
- ##rights, a handloader should be tried by people who actually understand
- ##handloading and shooting. You know, that "jury of your peers" stuff...
- #
- #This is a mis-conception. You are not entitled to a "jury of your peers"
- #over here, but a jury of "12 good men and true." A jury of your "peers" is
- #a phrase from english common law meaning that peasants would not wind up
- #haveing to judge nobles and nobles wouldn't get to judge peasants.
-
- Nowhere does the constitution say that you're entitled to any number
- of jurors. It says that you are entitled to "a speedy and public
- trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the
- crime shall have been committed," and a few other things about the
- actual process. It can be argued that a jury which is ignorant of
- the facts re: handloading and shooting do not constitute an impartial
- jury, but this is neither the time, nor the venue for such arguments...
-
- James
-
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- DISCLAIMER: I'm not an engineer, but I play one at work...
- "God didn't make men and women equal. Colonel Colt did."
- --Maggie Zombro, "Reasonable Doubts"
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