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- From: matth@hpcvccp.cv.hp.com (Matt Heineck)
- Newsgroups: rec.guns
- Subject: Re: Trouble in MiraMesa
- Message-ID: <1993Jan21.183321.25942@hpcvca.cv.hp.com>
- Date: 22 Jan 93 04:01:58 GMT
- Sender: magnum@mimsy.umd.edu
- Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
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- Approved: gun-control@cs.umd.edu
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- In article <1993Jan19.170624.15773@btree.uucp>, btree!andy@UCSD.EDU (Andy Bosik) writes:
- |> Hey Y'all!
- |> I have a dellemma at the house I live at.
- |> I rent a room a a friends house,and my friend
- |> likes keeping one of my guns,a Ruger GP100
- |> .357 revolver, in His room for self-protection.
- (Bunch of text deleted)
-
- Well Andy I am no lawyer so this advice is worth exactly what you paid for
- it.
- It is possible in todays litigeous (sp?) society that you might be found
- partially responsible for any death or injuried resulting from the use of
- a gun that you own.
-
- I would also be concerned, not only about his ability with the gun, but how
- he stores it, etc. If he has a friend over that "plays" with it, there could
- be big trouble.
-
-
- |> .....You don't need regular
- |> practice,which I feel is an ignorant,and
- |> dangerous attitude.
-
- If he is competent with it, constant practice is probably not as important as
- is mental preparedness. That is - has he (and you) thought through the
- senarios in which he would use deadly force. Thought about things like,
- being sure of his target, what is behind his target, how scared does he have to
- be to risk a shot in a residential neighborhood, etc.
-
- |> What should I do? Should I not continue to allow
- |> Him to use the .357,hoping that nothing trajic
- |> happens due to lack of training,or rusty marksmanship?
-
- #From what I have read, the vast majority of self-defense shootings happen
- at "contact range". This means that the person is close enough to hit you
- with their hands, feet, or short club. In this case "rusty marksmanship" is
- usually not an issue. If someone is 25 yards away, your life is probably
- not in danger (note I said probably, so hold the flames) and so being able
- to place 5 shots into a 25 yd bullseye is not as critical as having training
- on when to shoot and being mentally prepared, etc.
-
- |> He also has the attitude that if He ever has
- |> to use the gun for defense,He'll "Shoot em in
- |> the leg!".
-
- Everything I have ever read suggests that this is a very bad idea. When
- a person makes a decision to shoot another person, "deadly force" is involved.
- Most states (I believe) have pretty stiff restrictions on when you can use
- deadly force to protect yourself. (i.e. your life is in clear and imminent
- danger). I believe the argument you would face in court would go something
- like this -- If you are shooting someone in the leg than you are essentially
- admitting that you didn't feel that killing him was necessary. So why did
- you use "deadly force"?
-
- My advice is:
- -- Be sure your life is in "clear and imminent danger" (or a loved one)
- -- Be sure there are no options. (within reason)
- -- Be sure of your target. (what is behind him, etc.)
- -- Be prepared to accept the consequences, because your life will be
- irrevocably changed. (innocent people may be killed in the fight)
- -- Shoot to kill.
-
- If you and your friend have not thought this stuff through then you should
- definetly not be sleeping with loaded guns.
-
- Like I say, this just my advice, I would talk to an attorney if I were you.
-
- Standard disclaimers apply. These opinions are obviously my own.
- Please keep flames to a minimum.
-