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- From: kubey@sgi.com (Ken Kubey)
- Subject: Re: Craps
- Message-ID: <1993Jan27.202714.22733@odin.corp.sgi.com>
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- Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:27:14 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan26.024939.28776@til.til.com> tanaka@til.til.com (Yokichi Tanaka) writes:
- >In article <hunt.727506498@shy.umd.edu>, hunt@shy.umd.edu (Brian Hunt) writes:
- >|> kubey@sgi.com (Ken Kubey) writes:
- >|> >[SOME NICE CALCULATIONS DELETED]
- >|>
- >|> >Pass 49.293 %
- >|> >Don't Pass 49.299 %
- >|>
- >|> >Some people count the "bar" number (12 in my calculations) as half
- >|> >a win and therefore come up with a different number.
- >|> >I think those people should be locked up. :-)
- >|>
- >
- >Your numbers above do not make sense. As I recall, on a 12, both
- >Pass and Don't Pass loses, right? In that case, the probability
- >of a 12 = 1/36 = 2.7778% is both lose. With your numbers, it's
- >1.4%. Something wrong there. My numbers are:
-
- 12 is a loss for Pass. 12 is a *push* for Don't Pass.
- >
- > Pass 49.292929%
- > Don't Pass 47.929292% (49.3182% if 12 is a push for Don't Pass)
- ^^^^^^^
- Yep, this looks like the "normal" Don't Pass % chance of winning.
-
- > Conditional Prob. based on 1st Roll
- > First Roll Prob of 1st Roll Pass Don't Pass
- > 2 1/36 0 1
- > 3 2/36 0 1
- > 4 3/36 1/3 2/3
- > 5 4/36 2/5 3/5
- > 6 5/36 5/11 6/11
- > 7 6/36 1 0
- > 8 5/36 5/11 6/11
- > 9 4/36 2/5 3/5
- > 10 3/36 1/3 2/3
- > 11 2/36 1 0
- > 12 1/36 0 0 (or 0.5)
- ^^^^^^
- What does that 0.5 mean?
- The way I read it, it means that you win 1/2 the time when a 12
- is rolled and that you lose 1/2 the time when a 12 is rolled.
-
- Let's make up a new game called "Don't Only Craps" where a computer
- generates random rolls, but will not print a roll of 12.
- Now do your same calculation and you will get my number: 49.299 %.
-
- I claim that (to a Don't Pass player) the only difference
- between Craps and "Don't Only Craps" is that you will watch
- a few more rolls at Craps and spend a little more time playing.
- There is no difference in how much money you'll win or lose.
-
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