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- From: jmorton@euler.Berkeley.EDU (John Morton)
- Subject: Re: CRAGMONT BOLTING
- Message-ID: <1993Jan28.020053.23981@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>
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- Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 02:00:53 GMT
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- In article <lme52mINNpf@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> bhilden@bigriver.Eng.Sun.COM (Bruce Hildenbrand) writes:
- >In article <1k6kvc$ar9@agate.berkeley.edu> elmar@ocf.berkeley.edu (Elmar Stefke) writes:
- >>I recently checked out Cragmont (Berkeley) after a period of not climbing
- >>there, and to my horror found that the easy climbs on the East side had
- >>bolted toprope anchors. Does anybody know who is responsible for this
- >>absolute bullshit??? These bolts are more then an eyesore, they are comletely
- >>UNNECESSARY! People have been toproping and bouldering/soloing at Cragmont
- >>since the 1930's without resorting to the use of bolts (except for early aid
- >>routes). The East side routes have multiple possibilities for natural anchors
- >>(slinging trees, exposed roots, and rocks) in addition to providing a crack
- >>for pro on the left side of the face. I can't imagine why there should be
- >>bolts. They are more convenient (speak faster), but does that make them
- >>in anyway necessary? Did somebody live out their first practice bolt
- >>fantasy? Are they safer (not with all the other anchors available)?
- >>Elmar Stefke
- >>
- >
- >As someone who has placed a few bolts that may have seemed unneccessary,
- >let me add a different perspective.
- >
- >I added a 3-1/2" x 3/8" bolt at the base of the Monolith Direct route
- >at the Pinnacles National Monument because people were tying off a tree
- >about 10 feet away and they were trashing the undergrowth and creating
- >potential erosion problems in their attempts to put slings around
- >this tree(more like a very big bush). Rather than see the area around
- >the climb degrade, I decided a bolt would help matters. Before the
- >bolt was placed, someone pointed out to me an alternative anchor
- >using a Friend, but the placement was pretty manky and I did not
- >feel that it was sufficiently good to trust it as the only anchor.
- >
- >This, of course, is my view of the situation, it is not clear to
- >me in this situation if one view is right and another is wrong,
- >just the way I interpreted the situation and others who are knowledgeable
- >of the ethics of the area agreed.
- >
- >Bruce
- >
- >ps - one of the problems with natural anchors is that they can degrade
- >with over use or misuse(so can bolts for that matter, but that's not
- >the point).
-
- With regard to Cragmont Rock, I think Bruce's view should be
- considered here. There is often traffic along the top of the
- wall at Cragmont, and the extended anchors cross the path.
- I always used to wonder what was going on up there, because
- beginners would do things to the rat's nest of anchor ropes
- without telling you, not to mention stepping on them.
-
- Of course the trees don't thrive under those circumstances.
- However the worst problem might be the probable ensuing bolt
- placement/removal war, such as happens at Indian Rock. The
- bolters and choppers have uglified that place so much that
- many regulars favor the return to the anchors of the
- thirties: 12" tall sections of 1" galvanized water pipe.
-
- John Morton University of California
- jmorton@euler.berkeley.edu Mechanical Engineering
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