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- From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
- Subject: Re: Is Climbing An Individual Sport?
- References: <v3cl8tg@zola.esd.sgi.com> <1993Jan20.041221.16101@nas.nasa.gov> <30169@optima.cs.arizona.edu>
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- Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 22:49:58 GMT
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- In article <30169@optima.cs.arizona.edu> evans@cs.arizona.edu
- (Richard C. Evans) writes:
- >>A person climbs a 5.11 crack.
- Example case from the early 70s shortened.
-
- >This is going to sound like a lecture by the Archangel Royal Robbins.
- >It seems
- >to me that if a person puts in a reasonable 5.11 lead (with pro), then that is
- >what the route is. By nailing or bolting, this elegant lead is minimmized and
- >spoiled. Best to leave it as a most-worthy goal for a later time.
-
- Fine. That's the Joe Brown argument ("Better we raise our skill than
- lower the climb"), and I am for it. But that assumes communication either
- via word of mouth or something like a guide book. People have nailed and
- bolted routes post-facto simply because of not knowing, but another voice
- (I'll take a devil's advocate position) would say: Hey! What ever happened
- to the "Freedom" of the so called hills? Any person should be allowed to
- do just what EVER they choose. Who gives a care and who says so for a
- piece of rock? After all in the words of some: bolts are better than
- placed pro [remember: I'm the devil in this one, I will assume you have
- seen this in earlier posts or published articles], of in the case of
- free climbing blank faces and performing chipping and bolting: These blank
- faces are just diamonds in the rough. After all "a National Park is a People's
- Park" there are too many regulations, laws and restrictions in the world,
- and your losing your right to add protection in the form of pins or bolts
- is just government intrusion in private lives. If a guy does a free-solo,
- first ascent, then does that mean all subsequent ascents have to be
- free-solo first ascents? A slew of Fairview dome routes at high standard
- are this way. Does the Devil care to bolt these say in the name of safety?
- Not on your life.
-
- Nothing personal, it's just that the regular devils' have posted any of this
- yet.
-
- --eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
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- A Ref: Mathematics and Plausible Reasoning, vol. 1, G. Polya
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