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- From: eli@cisco.com (Steve Elias)
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- Subject: Re: Honda perfection management
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- Date: 21 Jan 93 13:50:11 GMT
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- In-reply-to: aland@informix.com's message of 21 Jan 93 04:12:26 GMT
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- >how many vehicles do you know of which had 0 defects 0 repairs
- >in that many miles? please name the makes and models of such vehicles
- >that you have owned or you know about for sure.
-
- The only absolute 0 and 0 I personally have experience with in over 30K miles
- are my mom's Saturn SL1 and my Toyota Celica GT-S. (The GT-S ate its
- fuel pump at about 38K, to the tune of $500). My Probe GT had zero defects
- on delivery and has none so far (3K miles).
-
- good luck with it!
- do you pay sick amounts for insurance for the Probe GT?
-
- None of the 7 Hondas bought new in my family in the last 11 years qualifies.
- Three ate one or both front rotors, for example.
-
- hmm. that sounds suspiciously like normal wear and tear,
- for someone who uses the brakes a lot (city driving?).
- i bet the dealer gave you grief on that one if you tried
- to get it fixed under warranty though. or was it that they kept
- getting warped. improperly torqued? whatever, point taken anyway.
-
- >i bought 2 new GM products, each had thousands
-
- What year(s)? What models?
-
- 85 Z28, 89 Z28. the 85 was more reliable, actually.
- (it was carbed.) the 3rd gen f-body cars had the worst
- reliability in all of GM, so i realize i was at the bottom
- of GM's barrel with respect to reliability. that's why it
- is so refreshing to be at the top of the reliability barrel
- with Honda, now.
-
- >of dollars of warranty work done IN THE FIRST 3 MONTHS, and thousands
- >more done by 50k. if i typed in all the problems, your fuckin disk
- >drive would overflow. if anyone objects to my use of "yucky swear
- >words", use a kill file so you don't have to read my articles.
-
- Not a bad thought.
-
- go for it! i just can't stand getting mail from self righteous
- weenoids who must complain every time i use fucktuation.
- usually i try not to fucktuate when posting from work-owned machines,
- but just this once or twice, really.
-
- >regarding your scoffing at my "expectations", because i'm impressed
- >with perfection after 35k and 15k miles. drop some facts instead of
- >attitude, guy.
-
- Two cars does not a trend make.
-
- actually it does make a trend. a trend of 2.
-
- Come back and post again when you have 100K on each.
-
- you know it. now you go away too until your Probe hits 100k, eh? ;)
-
- Neither of your cars is beyond the 3 years / 36K level.
-
- irrelevant to my point. the Zs were shitting left and right
- WAY before 36k. lucky i had 75k mile warranty on the 89.
-
- >also, what point are you trying to make with the 36k warranty
- >mention below? is it ok with you if your car shits the bed as
- >long as it is covered under warranty? do you have a lot of time
-
- Of course not -- the point is that it's in the manufacturer's financial best
- interest to make damn sure everything is right in that timeframe, at least.
-
- that's your point. my point is that cars that require returning
- to the dealer when they are still new are lousy cars. priorities
- change. gut wrenching bang for the buck is now less important to
- me than minimization of dealer-oriented new car service problems.
-
- If your sole interest is anecdotal flamage, take this to email.
-
- no, no.
-
- Alan Denney aland@informix.com {pyramid|uunet}!infmx!aland
-
- "The other night I was lying in bed, looking up at the stars, and
- I wondered, "Where the FUCK is my ROOF ?!?"
- -- cadesjardins@descartes.waterloo.edu
-
- that's a good one. who is this cad garden dude, what groups
- does s/he write in?
-
- /eli
-