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- From: sss@castle.ed.ac.uk (S S Sturrock)
- Newsgroups: rec.audio
- Subject: Re: Digital critics - sampling argument is nonsense
- Message-ID: <30844@castle.ed.ac.uk>
- Date: 27 Jan 93 10:01:59 GMT
- References: <1993Jan20.211233.37643@watson.ibm.com> <1993Jan22.130811.1@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi> <1993Jan26.021132.19624@labtam.labtam.oz.au>
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- >Another twist is that maybe the master tapes are too "bright" because
- >they are mixed by people whos hearing has been burned out by too
- >much high level sound, and in the past this has been corrected by
- >the cutting Engineer. Now that master tapes go straight to CD, this
- >bias shows up in the final recording.
-
- Interesting this, one of my favourite examples of just how bad a CD can
- sound is to compare my Blondie Parallel Lines CD with the MFSL LP I bought
- second hand, the LP is quieter, cleaner and much more dynamic. The CD
- sounds like a poor pre-recorded tape. Mind you, this is an old CD circa
- 1983. Utterly dreadful. The LP sounds fresh and lifelike. Also, when I
- compare my modern LPs with their CD counterparts I find that my LPs sound
- brighter than the CDs so the above argument about not liking CD because
- they sound too bright doesn't hold water. This all depends on your
- playback equipment of course. LP has the ability (for me) to keep me
- listening. Vocals have size, the environment has scale, bass plays tunes
- which are incredibly easy to follow and does not suffer from the lumpyness
- of CDs. By this I mean as the bass decreases in frequency it goes:
-
- boom boom boom *BOOM* boom boom.
-
- and whenever the music hits that frequency the bass blows up out of all
- proportion. With my LPs this doesn't happen (except oddly enough) with
- modern popular music (Pet Shop Boys on LP sounds just like the CD).
-
- Before all the flames start, I am just trying to categorise what I hear in
- the sound that I like, this is personal opinion and specs may prove that I
- am full of it but what is the point of sitting and listening to something
- which I find dreadful but put up with because the specs say it's better?
- Maybe I need to train my ears to listen to CD?
-
- On the other hand, I have trained my ears throughout my lifetime to hear
- the real world, I am rather good at it, years of practice so when an LP
- sounds real to my ears then that is good enough for me, euphonic distortion
- or not. As Kerry pointed out stereo is a poor system for representing 3D
- space, but it works with LP. Maybe I am adding something that is not there
- in the recording, no different to using DSP to produce a surround
- environment. You take you distortions and artifacts and pay your dues.
-
- We each listen to different things in the sound, I find with many digital
- proponents that they are not listening to the sound, they are listening to
- the silence between sounds hense all the snide remarks about tape hiss and
- adding crackles and pops to CD to apease the LP fans. I get just as
- annoyed at crackles and pops as anyone else, they bug me like hell in fact
- but with my LPs they are rare, rumble is below hearing levels, I accept the
- problems of LP because I like the sound of the music, the problems of LP
- intrude on the silence, not the music and those problems can be minimised
- with a little care.
-
- There will be those who disagree with me, that is fine, I hope you have
- read this far before you started to edit your reply, many people seem to
- read the first few lines, decide what they want to say, say it and post
- without paying the courtesy of reading the rest. It is a free world for
- most of us and while arguments are great fun it gets a little dull when the
- same old stuff gets wheeled out each time there is a new influx of readers.
- Not that what I am saying will even have any effect since the new readers
- next time won't have read this and it will all start over again.
-
- We return you to your usual flame fest.
-
-
- --
- Shane Sturrock, Biocomputing Research Unit, Darwin Building, Mayfield Road,
- University of Edinburgh, Scotland, Commonwealth of Independent Kingdoms. :-)
-
- Civilisation is a Haggis Supper with salt and sauce and a bottle of Irn Bru.
-