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- From: kurts@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Kurt Strain)
- Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:45:39 GMT
- Subject: Re: CD vs. LP again (was Re: Preamp and Amp)
- Message-ID: <1190792@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com>
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- Newsgroups: rec.audio
- References: <1993Jan19.221047.7313@bnr.ca>
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- In rec.audio, jj@alice.att.com (jj, sick and tired of all this nonsense) writes:
-
- > Lon, it seems, has made at least a few valid technical points.
- > This is hardly the mark of the flat-earther.
- > Your dismissal
- > of his points, showing no understanding when you dismiss them,
- > is more suggestive of the followers of farmer Ned Lud.
-
- Gee, sorry I follow what I hear, and I don't buy these overrated garbage
- technical arguments that you believe is proof for the disqualification
- for the medium as a serious contender. Same reaction you have concerning my
- arguments about CD limitations. You also stand up and say "you can't hear
- that." You're worse than Ned Lud.
- You trash anything for something new that's worse. Give us that great DCC
- signal processing spiel. Your view is "hey, looks good on paper, I buy it."
-
- > >Maybe, but there's more CD bigots who confuse cartoon quality sound with
- > >accuracy. Guys who think all Telarc recordings have real depth, balance and
- > >personality.
- > Interesting, I never had a record show personality to me.
-
- That's because you don't listen, you compute. You don't understand what a
- dry, sterile recording sounds like? You probably have a shelfload
- of them. It's statements like these that drop you from my list of audio
- experts. If I want to know some basic principle, yes, but not about judging
- sound and recording quality.
-
- > Kurt, you seem to be incapable of accepting the well-established
- > fact that there are euphonic distortions. It's no judgement on
- > your preferences, after all, arguing personal preference is pointless.
-
- > Such distortions have been shown since the days of the rotating
- > wax roll recording. They do not judge the person who likes
- > them, they just ARE. If you like them, fine, but when you
- > start to argue about "digital looses the music" and so on,
- > you're going beyond preference to making factual statements.
-
- You still don't get the simple fact that we are trying to remove the
- goddamn euphonic distortions from the record. We are not interested in
- them. That's why people spend upwards of $25K for a turntable system,
- TO REMOVE THE UNWANTED DISTORTIONS, GET IT?!!!!!! Prejudiced technical-only
- people like yourself never do get it. They're too busy making pronouncements
- about measurable artifacts to try to study what motivates people like me. They
- come to their own McCarthyism conclusions about them and dismiss any
- testimony from the people themselves. Absolutely pathetic mindset.
- I don't care if you're happy with what you have, I don't want you insulting
- my intelligence by demeaning all LP-files with "proposed reasons",
- reasons you don't understand. And your side fired the first volley. Eat it
- in return. I wouldn't start attacking CDs if there weren't such a pompously
- erroneous posting in the first place - erroneous by the fact that he's
- unfairly judging a record by the sum of a few parts, parts that have all
- been worked on to be nearly undetectable as far as I'm concerned.
-
- > Ok, first, what makes me a 'psuedo-expert, and second, when do I tell
- > you that you're wrong about what you like? I'm not giving you
- > any derision about your choice of LP, I'm deriding your inaccurate
- > technical and phisiological statements.
-
- You just tell me all the reasons why I must like my records; i.e. I like
- distortion, and now you say this comment. You're a pseudo-expert
- because you don't even have one iota of a clue about what I'm after, even after
- repeated strong commentary from my part. It just doesn't get through,
- does it? If it did, you'd probably become an expert on LP-files. But
- you're not.
-
- What the hell is so inaccurate about me saying I can't hear something, or
- at least there's nothing I can tell is there bothering me? You simply want
- to believe some bad scientific explanation for my choice of medium. Stop
- it. To understand vinyl advantages you have to play around with stereos
- awhile, seeking a closer view of the recording. The window may be a little
- distorted, but a lot of light comes shining through. Sorry, you wouldn't
- understand.
-
- > >Hey, who cares anyhow?
- > You must, you keep coming back and singing your Luddite chorus.
-
- And you must, too, singing your Luddite chorus. The high end is
- the state-of-the-art, not the low end. And the high-end is chock full
- of LP-files and tube-files and expensive wire-files, all for the purpose
- of wasting their time and money to get the closest, most accurate and
- musically satisfying sound they can tune in. Having no technical argument
- in their favor is not their problem, but still we must endure the pot
- shots from guys like you, name calling all the way. Eat dirt and get
- out of the way.
-
- > When you attack someone for suggesting some of the reasons that
- > might be true, you're no longer discussing preference.
-
- Jesus Christ, man. When I suggested reasons that might be true about
- CDs or wires you flipped out. So why can't I?
-