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- From: Dave Dal Farra <gpz750@bnr.ca>
- Subject: Re: Preamp and Amp
- Message-ID: <1993Jan22.164100.2499@bnr.ca>
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- Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:41:00 GMT
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- In article <185084@pyramid.pyramid.com> Lon Stowell, lstowell@pyrnova.mis.
- pyramid.com writes:
-
- >>Additionally, there are two other groups:
- >
- > Geez, man, what's this "groups" problem you have? Aren't you
- > a bit old for this?
-
- No prob's. I was just trying to summarize both sides of the argument as
- I perceived it, not pidgeon hole anyone. If you knew me, you'd wouldn't
- even question my outrage against group mentality and the mediocrity and
- ignorance it nurtures.
-
- >>a. Those who believe CD's sound superior on the basis of lower noise,
- >> better seperation, etc. i.e. Lon.
- >>
- > WAtch putting words in my mouth. YOu made a bs statement that
- > LP's have lower values.
-
- I did?? Talk about putting words in someone's mouth. I too stated that CD
- "numbers" are more favourable that of LP.
-
-
- > I merely said that those who claim numbers for LP are usually
- > full of baloney...the CD's NUMBERS are almost always better.
-
- I agree. Again.
-
- > How your twisted mind decided that was a statement on sound is
- > beyond me....particularly since the phrase "illusion" of better
- > imitation of live performance seems to have been mentioned
- > somewhere.
-
- By you? I truly am sorry if I missed that.
-
- My twisted mind (I agree!) made that assumption since characteristics that
- are easily quantified were the basis for your entire argument on
- discrediting LP. You never once said you felt CD was closer to the "real
- thing", as far as i know: again, maybe I missed it. I guess now I know you
- feel it is. Sorry if I made an incorrect assumption based on the only data
- I gathered from your presentation.
-
- >>b. Those who can live with the vinyl noise only because they think
- >> LP sounds closer to the real thing. i.e. me.
-
- > c. There are also some people perfectly aware of the real numeric
- > differences in LP and CD who STILL prefer LP. Most of these
- > actually know what they are talking about.
-
- Thanks!
-
- > No, its just that the LP bigot's constant use of the term to
- > describe ONLY those folks preferring LP's over CD's...
-
- Actually. You're right, I tend to think along those lines. It's just that
- LP's superiority seems so obvious to me. Maybe we have different criteria
- in judging accuracy of replay, and neither of us is more "Golden-eared" or
- "Pyrite-Eared"? By the way, using your criteria, your irrepressible slam
- against LP and its proponents (and, therefore, my "Pyrite ears") makes you
- a CD bigot on equal footing with us "LP bigots".
-
- > insist on using $$$$ signs as a measure to boot is really
- > nauseating
-
- You don't think more expensive equipment, in general, sounds more musical,
- i.e. closer to the real thing? Personally, I don't use $$$ as a measure
- of anything except: If you're a good shopper, you get what you pay for.
-
- I think you'd be surprised at how little I've paid for the end result
- I've obtained; being an electrical engineer with formal training in audio
- and acoustics gives me the benefit of being able to highly modify my gear
- and get a lot of bang for the buck.
-
- > Particularly when the automatic assumption is
- > that those lacking the LP-gospel fervor are only those with
- > cheap playback equipment.
-
- No, it's just that your vehement blasts against LP replay and what
- you call "LP bigots" raise questions over your LP playback
- equipment. Myself and others have posted that we don't experience the
- negative effects of LP replay any-where near to the extent you do. Or maybe
- that's not the case. Maybe we're just not as bothered by them due to the other
- benefits we hear in LP repro relative to CD. Yes! "We hear"; I can't quantify
- "why" we hear these benefits, as the available numbers don't bear our
- observations out; I don't even feel compelled to try and formulate a "why"
- response. Like I've said, objective measurements don't tell the full picture.
- Never have. Probably never will.
-
- Time to cool off Lon. Your continual insults weaken your arguments, which
- could be quite interesting.
-
- Dave Dal Farra
- BNR Otta
- Audio and Acoustics Group
-