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- From: DPierce@world.std.com (Richard D Pierce)
- Subject: Re: power amps blowing tweeters
- Message-ID: <C183IH.M7D@world.std.com>
- Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
- References: <1993Jan19.143935.20811@sei.cmu.edu> <C14v52.6A9@world.std.com> <1993Jan21.153319.12834@sei.cmu.edu>
- Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:25:28 GMT
- Lines: 67
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- In article <1993Jan21.153319.12834@sei.cmu.edu> Richard S D'Ippolito writes:
- >
- >In article <C14v52.6A9@world.std.com>, Richard D Pierce writes:
- >
- >>
- >> No, it would be a little less, not a lot less. Even at 20 kHz, the
- > ^^^^^^
- >> inductive component of the inpedance of most reasonable tweeters might
- >> account for as much as maybe 20% of the total impedance (phase angle of
- >> the impedance at that point about 10 or 12 degrees.
- >
- >OK, "much" or "little"?
- >
- >With your data, here is what I calculate:
- >
- >freq wL tan(th) theta Z cos(th) Power SigmaP(n)
- >
- >20kHz 0.2R 0.2 11deg 1.02R 0.98 ~P(nom) 1.0P
- >
- >60 0.6R 0.6 31 1.17R 0.85 0.24P 1.24P
- >
- >100 1.0R 1.0 45 1.4R 0.71 0.10P 1.34P
- >
- >140 1.4R 1.4 54 1.7R 0.58 0.05P 1.39P
- >
- >Now, using Mr. Frith's base of 20 watts, your impedance ratio data, and
- >assuming an amplifier power response to 140KHz, we see diminishing
- >contributions by the fourth term and a "square" wave power of only 27.8 watts
- >(40% more) compared to the theoretical maximum of 40 (100% more) and his rough
- >calculation of 37.
- >
-
- Well, ok, except for several facts. First, it's seldom a 20 kHz sine wave
- that clips an amplifier, it's more like stuff much lower and more complex,
- so that splatter is much denser and lower frequency then your table would
- have us believe. So while the table above is interesting in an academic
- sence and certainly correct only as far as it goes, it is a poor
- approximation of reality.
-
- Secondly, you've made an assumption about how the impedance rises above 20
- kHz which is simply not correct. The standard model for voice coil
- impedance which consists of a single linear inductor in series with a
- single linear resistor is to simple to the point of being seriously flawed
- for just this kind of example (not your fault, the literature seldom gets
- it right also).
-
- In fact, both the resistive part and the inductive part of the model are
- highly frequency dependent, with the inductance, for example, decreasing
- roughly as the square root of frequency (not the inductive component of
- the impedance, but the inductance itself). The net result is that
- impedance rises much more slowly than your model accounts for, and the
- phase angle is consequently less than your model predicts, by almost 50%
- at the high end (typically the phase angle seldom exceeds 30 degrees at
- any frequency below a couple of hundred kHz).
-
- Sure, some of the energy then goes into heating the metal parts
- surrounding the voice coil due to induced eddy currents, etc., but the
- excitation current still has to flow through the voice coil anyway.
-
- In short, the physical reality is more complex than you're allowing here,
- and the differences are enough to make the substantial difference between
- "much" and "a little" less, as I stated in my post.
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