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- From: Dave Dal Farra <gpz750@bnr.ca>
- Subject: Re: Preamp and Amp
- Message-ID: <1993Jan21.164550.1069@bnr.ca>
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- Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:45:50 GMT
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- In article <185059@pyramid.pyramid.com> Lon Stowell, lstowell@pyrnova.
- mis.pyramid.com writes:
- > You might wish to try reading some of the Bell Labs papers on
- > perception and distortion the next time you are sitting on the
- > throne cleaning out your mind.
- >
- > It's pretty obvious you haven't a clue and the gold in your ears
- > is pyrite.
- >
- > I'm not arguing with your preference, but your reasoning is
- > really quite amusing.
-
- OK, all the fun and nasties aside....
-
- I've read the Bell papers, and the Floyde E. Toole papers
- and books on Sound and Perception. My career is inaudio
- and acoustics and I've also been designing speakers
- for about 10 years now. I understand all the arguments
- I've heard so far.
-
- It comes down to this....
-
- We seem to be fragmented into two groups: Those who beleive Golden-ears
- exist and those who don't. I do, others don't. Fine.
-
- Additionally, there are two other groups:
-
- a. Those who believe CD's sound superior on the basis of lower noise,
- better seperation, etc. i.e. Lon.
-
- b. Those who can live with the vinyl noise only because they think
- LP sounds closer to the real thing. i.e. me.
-
- At this point, I don't care who is right or wrong. It's not worth
- arguing this point. Cal was the only one right here: Enjoy the
- tunes at all costs!!
-
- The purpose of my replies was to clear up misconceptions I felt were worth
- discussing:
-
- a. A/B testing problems (long term exposure is not factored in).
-
- b. LP being inferior to CD based on measured results. I drew a comparison
- where the argument was made that transistors were better than tubes in
- the 50's, based predominantly on measured results. Unfortunately,
- they didn't even measure intermod back then. Is there some
- important aspect of CD reproduction we are not measuring yet
- because we don't even know what to look for? Those who tend to
- prefer LP would like to think "Yes". No one can say if they are
- right or wrong. (Personally, I'm very interested in dither).
-
- c. The concept that Golden-Ears are self professed ego-maniacs and that
- their skills are hype. This is like saying it is impossible to run
- the 100m dash in under 10 seconds because "I can't do it and neither can
- any-one I know." TV shows us people performing such feats, so we
- beleive it. No one in their right mind would televise Harry Pearson
- grading to a stereo system (thank God). But people do train their hearing
- acuity. The fact that the "Golden-eared" critics from different magazines
- generally agree on the sound of any particular gear (i.e the Wadia), lends
- validity to their abilities. Any mention of a conspiracy theory is nothing
- more than a display of paranoia.
-
- The Bell lab papers were taken without using Golden Ears. In my opininion,
- thats like measuring sound pressure level in 10 dB steps.
-
- I am happy everyone likes their gear and knows what they like. It only leads
- to a better appreciation of music, which is what this is all about. Right?
-
- Listening to the Pink Fairies doin' "Uncle Hairy's Last Freakout" last night
- was enough to set my mind straight: Enough bullshit and back-stabbing (myself
- included). Enjoy the tunes, even if its on a Radio Shack linear tracker,
- Dad's system, or if you have "lizard breath" (actually, it usually smells like
- Guinness (sp?)).
-
- No hard feelings,
-
- Dave
- BNR Ottawa
- Audio and Acoustics Group
-