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- From: kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy)
- Subject: Re: Still Light On History????
- Message-ID: <1993Jan25.015447.27802@rotag.mi.org>
- Organization: Who, me???
- References: <1993Jan20.170715.21874@doug.cae.wisc.edu> <1993Jan21.192150.27842@hobbes.kzoo.edu> <1993Jan21.191146.29958@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
- Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 01:54:47 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan21.191146.29958@doug.cae.wisc.edu> bodoh@cae.wisc.edu (Daniel Bohoh) writes:
- >In article <1993Jan21.192150.27842@hobbes.kzoo.edu> k044477@hobbes.kzoo.edu (Jamie R. McCarthy) writes:
- >>bodoh@cae.wisc.edu (Daniel Bohoh) writes:
- >>>
- >>>You like this consistency argument, don't you? Well, I've thought
- >>>about the consistency of the pro-choice side. I could show, for
- >>
- >>OK, I'll bite. Me and drieux both want you to explain this, now.
- >
- >Extracted from an editorial I wrote for UW-Madison's _Badger_Herald_,
- >July 3, 1991:
- >
- >Many arguments made for pro-choice are utilitarian arguments. One of
- >the most emotiional is the picture of a woman being mutilated by a doctor
- >performing an illegal abortion. Abortion should remain legal so it remains
- >safe for all women, say the pro-choice advocates. However, utilitarian
- >arguments fail when considering such fundamental rights as the right to
- >life and the right to personal liberty. Turning this argument around,
- >let's assume that abortion is a fundamental right. Should the right
- >to choose abortion be usurped if many pro-life activists are injured
- >while chained to abortion doors?
-
- First, we need to weigh the social costs of those few pro-life activists
- who are injured while chained to abortion doors against the massive
- economic benefits of not having to support 1.6 million unwanted children
- a year, AS WELL AS the benefits of not having back-alley butchering,
- AS WELL AS the benefits of not having lots of pro-choice activists
- get hurt in _their_ political protests, should abortion be outlawed.
-
- I think it's pretty obvious in which direction the scales of Utilitarian
- justice tip...
-
- >The problem with utilitiarian arguments is that a fundamental right
- >(be it choice or life) can never be usurped simply to benefit
- >a large section of society. That concept is at the crux of our
- >Constitution.
-
- Correct. But think of Utilitarianism as a tie-breaker. We have a stand-off
- between the fetus'es "fundamental" right to life and the woman's "fundamental"
- right to bodily autonomy. We can't decide whether the fetus is a "person" or
- not, based on anything but an arbitrary legal fiat. So, how do we decide?
- That's when the Utilitarian formula comes in. And clearly, from a Utilitarian
- point of view, pro-choice makes more sense than pro-life.
-
- >Any time an utilitarian argument is used to take
- >a right from one group and give it to another, a similar argument can
- >be found to do the reverse.
-
- Huh? Can you give an example of this?
-
- - Kevin
-