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- From: elg@elgamy.jpunix.com (Eric Lee Green)
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- Date: 25 Jan 93 21:47:09 CDT
- Newsgroups: misc.education,sci.edu
- Subject: Re: Rereading 20 times (was: Branding kids)
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- Organization: Eric's Amiga 2000 @ Home
- References: <1993Jan24.001401.13638@jlc.mv.com> <C12AzC.MB1@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> <1jg9keINNlui@gap.caltech.edu> <1993Jan20.122231.21775@athena.mit.edu>
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- From article <1993Jan24.001401.13638@jlc.mv.com>, by john@jlc.mv.com (John Leslie):
- > After you get out of school, the ticket to success is the attitude
- > that you're not going to *let* any problem defeat you. Your most
- > effective problem-solving tool will be an ability to extract the
- > necessary pieces of information from the book where you *know* they
- > reside.
-
- The fun part is trying to teach kids how to do this. They're fighting me
- tooth and nail on this one :-). I persist, however. "Mr. Green, I can't
- find the answer for this one!" "Okay, let's see, the question is 'What are
- the largest and smallest planets?'. First, which chapter do we need to look
- at? Chapter 3 on 'Mass and accelleration'? Chapter 4 on 'The Planets'? or
- Chapter 5 on 'The Human Body'? Chapter 4? Okay. Let's look at the pictures
- and picture captions on Chapter 4 first, then look at the big black section
- headers if we don't find our answer there. Hmm. Would it be in this picture
- that says 'Rotation and revolution of planets'? Would it be in this picture
- that says 'The size of planets'? Would it be in this picture that says 'The
- satellites of Jupiter'? Hmm, you say it'd be in the picture 'The size of
- planets'? Okay. Look at that table. The answer is in there."
- "I can't do it!"
- "Read the table."
- "I can't do it!"
-
- At that point I leave the battle -- I can tell when the kid is just
- trying to get out of something. The consequences for not getting to work
- are clear in my classroom. I'll give you two warnings to get to work. On
- the third warning I send you to timeout. If you go to timeout, you also
- lose ten minutes of recess time. The kids hate to go to timeout.
-
- It's even worse when the answer is in one of the sections. After I've
- helped them narrow it down to a particular section, I say "Read this
- section" then go away. The kids now know better than to bug me about it
- once I go away. They still don't like it.
-
- I don't see my job as being to spoon-feed the kids. They know how to read.
- I'll help them narrow down WHERE to read, when necessary (and I'm teaching
- the kids how to do that for themselves now), but I'm not going to just tell
- them the answer.
-
- The sad part is that these kids' prior teachers DID spoon-feed them. So I'm
- not just having to teach them this stuff. I'm having to de-program them
- from a mentality of learned helplessness. They're accustomed to having the
- teacher do everything for them. I refuse to do that. They hate it. So it
- goes.
-
- --
- Eric Lee Green elg@elgamy.jpunix.com Dodson Elementary
- (713) 664-6446 Houston, TX
- "Kids are kids, no matter what"
-