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- From: chenowet@rd1632.Dayton.NCR.COM (Steve Chenoweth)
- Newsgroups: misc.education,misc.kids,sci.edu
- Subject: Re: Branding kids, IQ tests, smart vs dumb (Was: Re: Seminar Program)
- Message-ID: <2689@rd1632.Dayton.NCR.COM>
- Date: 25 Jan 93 15:09:57 GMT
- References: <1993Jan17.192113.26691@sequent.com> <1993Jan18.152035.10261@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> <1993Jan18.163436.12313@news.cs.indiana.edu> <1993Jan20.215406.18366@clpd.kodak.com>
- Reply-To: chenowet@rd1632.Dayton.NCR.com (Steve Chenoweth)
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- In article <1993Jan20.215406.18366@clpd.kodak.com> staffan@ca.serum.kodak.com (Kenneth Staffan (x37507)) writes:
- > ...
- >I don't really like the label "gifted". One reason is because I don't
- >like the unspoken implication that the _other_ children didn't get "gifts".
- >In the 60's? 70's?, in New York State, certain children were "accelerated".
- >This term didn't bother me as much, I guess, maybe because it didn't
- >mean that the other children couldn't do things, just that certain ones were
- >capable of learning certain subjects faster. I know I'm just arguing
- >symantics, but I still don't like "gifted" (that having been said, though,
- >I'll use it below :-).
- > ...
- >I believe that the powers of expectation are strong, and that the children
- >in non-gifted classes will under-perform, and that the teachers of the
- >non-gifted classes will under-expect (what's the name for those two
- >well-documented syndromes?..)
- >
-
- Did anyone catch the ABC News Special "Common Miracles: The New American
- Revolution in Learning" last Saturday, 1/23/93? The show came across as
- much in favor of these views.
-
- I liked the show's idea that teachers must really work to discover what's
- special in every kid and try to build on that. I think this is a part
- of the point Staffan was making in the article, above. I wonder if there's
- been research going on here -- what kinds of new tools are teachers
- getting to help identify a wide range of unique abilities in kids?
-
- The ABC news show also was preachy about issues where the jury's still out,
- however. It was very pro mainstreaming, which has been debated at length
- in some of these newsgroups. Staffan has a sort of micro-debate with himself
- about it, above. I was surprised to hear on the show how everyone
- who is progressive now agrees that all tracking is a bad thing for both the
- average and exceptional kids.
-
- As other authors in these groups have pointed out, the situation remains
- unresolved for exceptionally fast learners in our school systems. When you
- have a child like some of those who've been mentioned, reading at 2 yrs., etc.,
- and you show up four years later at their first grade classroom and see 30
- kids with a teacher saying, "This is a b" to them, suddenly you know
- how it's all going to go. No amount of theory about virtues of mainstreaming
- can resolve that feeling in the pit of your stomach. Those of us who have
- been through this tend to be less in favor of mainstreaming than we used to be.
-
- Sudden vision: How would it work if we tried to mainstream our next
- generation of professional musicians all the way through school. Could we
- expect them still to be world class? This isn't a perfect analogy, but it's
- a worthwhile analogy, I think.
-
-
-
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- Steve.Chenoweth@Dayton.NCR.com
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