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- From: elg@elgamy.jpunix.com (Eric Lee Green)
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- Date: 24 Jan 93 12:15:52 CDT
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- Subject: Re: Branding kids, IQ tests, smart vs dumb (Was: Re: Seminar Program)
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- From article <1jlcldINNj0l@mojo.eng.umd.edu>, by clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin):
- > I wonder if people have done studies about how kids in non-accelerated
- > classes are taught. Do teachers decide it's not worth pushing them?
- > Do they put down the students (you would think this wouldn't happen)?
- > Is the attitude better toward so-called gifted children? We have
-
- Read the book _A Place Called School: A Report on A Study of Schooling_.
-
- > many teachers across the US, some (like Mr. Green) who have found solutions
- > to "problem" students and are able to deal with these students, in what
- > seems to be a productive manner. Yet, is this information readily
- > available to other people? I don't know exactly what an education
-
- I did not find the solutions to "problem" students. I was given them. I was
- trained in them.
-
- > degree provides, but it would be nice to have some of the ideas of
- > education delivered to others teachers, and perhaps even to parents.
-
- Unfortunately, education degrees provide information in an academic
- environment. They do not provide teachers training in how to exhibit
- particular behaviors when presented with given stimulae. There is only one
- way to train behaviors, and that is to actually present the stimulae and
- provide guidance in how to exhibit the behavior (i.e., shaping and
- reinforcement of the behavior) and thus reinforcement of the actual
- behavior, rather than just cold blank words on the page or detached
- observation of situations where you're not required to actually
- participate.
-
- The closest thing today is student teaching. However, teachers are way too
- overloaded to really give student teachers the sort of feedback that they
- need, not to mention that many teachers know "instinctively" what to do
- (i.e., they've been trained in those behaviors BY THEIR STUDENTS, when they
- see their students respond to those behaviors), but they don't KNOW that
- they've been trained by their students and thus can't help student teachers
- (by providing a short-cut way that eliminates all that chaos!).
-
- > > It should be that all parents (if they can) should try to nurture
- > their children's talents, even when these are not readily apparent, but
- > what may be needed is some sort of guide to this process from others
- > who have been successful in motivation.
-
- Unfortunately, most of the motivation that I provide isn't in the form of
- "coach"-like talk but, rather, "If you do fifteen problems, you can have
- five minutes of playtime" type. This works great with younger kids. It
- doesn't work so well with older kids. I also try to keep reinforcement
- semi-random, i.e., I don't ALWAYS promise a reward for performance. In that
- way the kids have fallen into the habit of working hard, without me having
- to bribe them for every little instance. I still make a real effort to
- reinforce them for good hard work, though. For example, my professional
- development specialist came into my room while the kids were playing with
- toy soldiers one day and asked what they were doing... I replied that we'd
- just spent 45 exhausting minutes revising and rewriting paragraphs to try
- to come up with good strong opening sentences and good strong closing
- sentences (which wasn't always possible), and we ALL needed a little break.
- I gave them social reinforcement too, of course -- "Phew, we did some
- WORK!" -- but with the kids I teach, social reinforcement alone isn't
- enough. Middle-class kids might perform for good words from their parents,
- but kids who've never recieved good words before in their life tend to be a
- bit wary of them.
-
- --
- Eric Lee Green elg@elgamy.jpunix.com Dodson Elementary
- (713) 664-6446 Houston, TX
- "Kids are kids, no matter what"
-