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- From: brian@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Brian K. Yoder)
- Subject: Re: Magnet schools
- Message-ID: <C1DpMJ.7Bw@quake.sylmar.ca.us>
- Organization: Quake Public Access
- References: <1993Jan14.150343.21477@wam.umd.edu> <00727327078@elgamy.jpunix.com> <00727750886@elgamy.jpunix.com>
- Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 22:11:06 GMT
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- In article <00727750886@elgamy.jpunix.com> elg@elgamy.jpunix.com (Eric Lee Green) writes:
- >From article <C15z8v.LpJ@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, by hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin):
- >> Why not producing Rhodes Scholars? The tenements of the first part of this
- >> century, and the current Asian refugees may not produce Rhodes Scholars, but
- >> they did not seem to have much of a problem in producing scholars.
-
- >First of all: the current Asian refugees hitting Houston are primarily
- >uneducated peasants, and their children are doing about as well in the
- >Houston public schools as the great-great-grandchildren of ex-slaves and
- >the children of ex-Mexicans. I.e., not too well. The myth of the
- >super-achiever Asian children is just that, a myth. It holds true with
- >Asian children whose parents were originally of middle-class merchant
- >background, but not true of Asians from peasant backgrounds.
-
- Would you then say that this is evidence that the poor average performance
- of other minority children (such as blacks and hispanics) is primarily due
- to economic rather than racist causes?
-
- >I would like to produce Rhodes Scholars as much as anybody. However, when I
- >see 6th graders who cannot read, I prefer to think that perhaps we'd be
- >better first getting those 6th graders reading at the 6th grade level, and
- >only THEN start thinking about producing Rhodes Scholars.
-
- If that's where your sights are pointed, then that's about as far as you are
- likely to get.
-
- >Besides, we really don't know how to produce Rhodes Scholars. The basic
- >techniques for producing adequately-educated people are well know,
-
- If so, then why are they not applied by the current education system?
-
- >but
- >nobody really knows how to teach creativity or flexibility or how to be an
- >effective thinker.
-
- Oh come on. Lots of people know how to do these things. It's just that
- nobody working for the schools of education knows.
-
- >Still, we know how to give ghetto kids an acceptable education despite
- >their supposed "handicap". We ought to do it.
-
- Do "we"? Do tell?
-
- --Brian
-
-