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- From: ren@hopper.ACS.Virginia.EDU (Karen Prestemon)
- Subject: Re: Branding kids, IQ tests, smart vs dumb (Was: Re: Seminar Program)
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- Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 08:49:53 GMT
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- In article <C15HG3.8G0@quake.sylmar.ca.us> brian@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Brian K. Yoder) writes:
- >
- >What most schools do is look at a number of factors...SAT, grades, IQ (do
- >they?), interest in hobbies, etc. and look for a pattern. If a kid has
- >a low IQ but gets good grades, scores high on other standardized tests,
- >is involved in hobbies, and the like, it is clear he is a "good risk".
- >On the other hand, if he has a low IQ, low test scores, low grades, etc.
- >then that does indicate something doesn't it?
- >
- >One thing I have always thought about the IQ score is why it's on such a
- >wide scale (I know why historically, but all the same...). It seems that
- >since the test is so imprecise, a 1-10 or even 1-5 scale would be
- >more appropriate. It's like measuring the distance to new York in millimeters
- >when your yardstick is a mile long and only accurate to within 30%.
- >
- Colleges do not use the IQ test for admittance.
-
- The IQ test was developed as a placement test, and can't adequately
- measure intelligence. Nothing can, really, which is why its is so
- "imprecise." Basically, it tests knwoledge of white culture in
- America, which is more or less what the SAT does on the verbal half
- of the exam.
-
- Someone posted that tests need to be standardized in this country, and
- I wanted to respond to that. the SATs, PSATs, DATs, SRAs, etc, ARE
- all standardized. The problem is that there is no national
- standard curriculum. Scores on these testscan't really be compared
- to one another unless the children invloved are learning the same
- basic things at the same time. States control schools, counties
- control schools, special interest groups control schools, and yet everyone
- is expected to measure up to one another in precisely the same way.
- If I took an urban child and a suburban child and compared their
- SATs, people would go nuts saying that the urban child came from
- a crappy school district with no money and an underpriveleged
- background, and he just hadn't had a fair chance at an education.
- If you argue that this is true, then you would have to throw thwe
- SAT out the window.
-
- BTW, the Washington Post just ran an article a couple weeks ago
- describing the number of ways in which kids cheat on the SATs. Not
- only is it easy, but I have seen some people actually do some
- of the things they described. The stakes are getting so high in
- the SAT game, it is frightening, because too much importance is
- placed on something that shouldn't be counted for much at all.
-
- --Karen
-