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- From: hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin)
- Subject: Re: Branding kids, IQ tests, smart vs dumb
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- References: <1993Jan18.152035.10261@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> <C12AzC.MB1@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> <1993Jan20.181547.6283@seachg.uucp>
- Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:34:17 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan20.181547.6283@seachg.uucp> chrisb@seachg.UUCP (Chris Blask) writes:
- >In article <C12AzC.MB1@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin) writes:
- >>In article <1993Jan18.152035.10261@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> ren@hopper.ACS.Virginia.EDU (Karen Prestemon) writes:
- >>>In article <1993Jan17.192113.26691@sequent.com> petel@sequent.com (Pete Lancashire) writes:
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- ...................
-
- >>What do you expect the bright to do in school? There is little which
- >>they are faced with which requires more than slight effort. Usually
- >>they are not even allowed to do more.
-
- >>They definitely should be faced with situations which are too difficult
- >>for them to manage. Some will be due to lack of background, and some
- >>will just be beyond their capabilities. This is all to the good. But
- >>it will not happen in our current system, which assumes that everything
- >>is straightforward. Even if memory is not their strong point, almost
- >>all of the bright are not weak at it, and that is all that is tested now.
-
- >Hi folks!
-
- >Sorry to jump right in without seeing a FAQ or anything, but I have to
- >comment. Please excuse any redundancy, I'm sure this won't be TOO
- >original.
-
- >The social aspect of the 'smart kid syndrome' is the topic of this little
- >diatribe, most of which will be autobiographical.
-
- >The goal of the system should encompass not only the academic education, but
- >also the social education of kids. The extra attention I received from
- >instructors was a lead-pipe-cinch to ruin any chance of being accepted by
- >the other kids. I had scored right at the top of all the charts, and the
- >staff made that entirely clear to the other students (like I didn't have
- >enough trouble just being a kid). I spent two years being beaten up (fifth and
- >sixth) before moving to Chicago, where I made a conscious decision to lower my
- >grades. I practiced there for two years, then moved to Toronto, where I
- >perfected the technique; failing three highschool classes, gaining great
- >popularity, then dropping out.
-
- So your talents have been at least greatly diminished, if not destroyed by
- the system. Would this have happened if even the pre-1930 system of rapid
- advancement was in place, not that that is ideal? You would have been in
- clases with children several years older, and yes, you would have not fit
- into the social group, but it is unlikely that you would have been beaten.
- As adults, we are not thrown into a group, we end up in groups of people
- with similar interests.
-
- What should have been done with you was to send you to a school designed
- for those with your talents; the same educational resources we are frittering
- away on frills and hyperegalitarianism can be used, when there is again an
- adequate suppy of competent teachers, to develop the brains of all children
- who are allowed by their communities to develop them.
-
- But even if the other kids were more respectful, there is no way that you
- belonged in a so-called normal class at any age. Those groups which do
- not value academic excellence will not many produce scholars, no matter
- how much ability they have, and if they act like the other children were
- allowed to act with you, they will produce very few.
-
- Our school money is wasted in trying to do more than the minimum for those
- who do not wish to learn, or who cannot learn. Our future scientists,
- technical leaders, and even teachers :-) must come from those who can think
- and reason, and who will have to be aware that not everyone else is the same.
- --
- Herman Rubin, Dept. of Statistics, Purdue Univ., West Lafayette IN47907-1399
- Phone: (317)494-6054
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