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- From: rboudrie@chpc.org (Rob Boudrie)
- Subject: Re: Stores can't "detain" shoplifters
- Message-ID: <1993Jan24.055638.10658@chpc.org>
- Organization: Center For High Perf. Computing of WPI; Marlboro Ma
- References: <1jlsp6INNhc@shelley.u.washington.edu> <1_k3+rp@rpi.edu> <1993Jan22.193035.11391@craycos.com>
- Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 05:56:38 GMT
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- >Actually, my girlfriend works at a Target and when she started they had
- >a security briefing. No one (not even the security guys at the store)
- >can 'detain' anyone from leaving, or use any other type of physical
- >force on them. If someone is observed shoplifting the manager (or
-
- This varies depending on the state and attitude of the store. Here
- in Mass. many larger department store security staffs have "special
- police status" with limited police powers on store property (which,
- among other things, makes taking a swing at one "assault on a police
- officer" and resisting detention "resisting arrest"). One of the
- larger stores in Boston some time ago got lots of bad press because of
- a "anyone stopped for shoplifting goes to jail even if they
- produce a reciept" policy - having a "tough on shoplifters" attitude
- was judged to be more advantageous than limiting legal fees (they
- paid an off duty cop $xxK for wrongfully having her arrested; a local
- judge was arrested for "rpice tag switching" even though her attorney
- was later able to prove she bought at the riginal price).
-
- A few true stories from a firend who worked security at most of the
- major local chains a number of years ago :
-
- 1 - He was told to use any necessary force (but not trained in the
- continum of force relative to arrest) to detain a suspect, but to
- cease any use of force and give up if a weapon was shown or thought
- to be present.
-
- 2 - He once "knew" someone was shoplifting but couldn't prove it. He
- had the plate run, and called the suspect at home - bluffed him into
- believing he had him shoplifting on video and offered him the chance
- to return the goods and avoid prosecution (he got the goods back).g
-
- 3 - He made ONE "bad grab" and stopped someone who was not shoplifting.
- He had already been provided with a $100 store gift certificate to
- give the person in case this happened (I was surprised this was the
- case since he was a part time college summer hire, but that store
- wanted incidents quelled quickly).
-
- 4 - One of the biggest sources of ripoffs store security watches out
- for is employees "underringing" large purchases made by confederates
- (this is probably the real reason the "wharehouse clubs" have a
- second person check the merchandise/reciept when it would be very
- difficult for the shopper to slip any merchandise in the "paid for"
- shopping cart).
-
- 5 - Yes, he was issued handcuffs (never used them except practicing on
- mannquins). Pretty solid proof the store expected him to forcefully
- detain shoplifting suspects if needed.
-
-
- rob b.
-