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- From: dreier@maize.berkeley.edu (Roland Dreier)
- Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.sys.hp
- Subject: Boycott HP? was: HP debug info and the FSF
- Date: 27 Jan 93 23:45:31
- Organization: U.C. Berkeley Math. Department.
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- In-reply-to: jbuck@forney.berkeley.edu's message of 27 Jan 1993 20:29:36 GMT
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- In article <1k6rbg$caq@agate.berkeley.edu> jbuck@forney.berkeley.edu (Joe Buck) writes:
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- In article <FRANL.93Jan27115049@draco.centerline.com> franl@centerline.com (Fran Litterio) writes:
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- >I too have heard about work at the University of Utah to teach gcc/gdb
- >about HP debug info, but I have also heard that HP has effectively
- >killed that work by refusing to free the necessary header file.
-
- They've killed it even deader than that. The Utah people have signed
- a nondisclosure agreement, meaning they could be sued if they reveal
- HP trade secrets even if they found some other way to do the job
- (without HP proprietary headers). Either HP will need to relent,
- or someone else (who has not signed a nondisclosure) will need to
- do the work.
-
- I've had similar problems with HP, attempting to port a freely
- redistributable system to the HP. This system does incremental linking,
- which is very tricky on the HP-PA architecture. HP's attitude on things
- like this is not like other companies. I could get the information,
- perhaps, by signing a nondisclosure (HP's rivals would simply send me
- the information), but that would prevent releasing free software that
- uses the ideas.
-
- To be fair, my contact at HP found me some non-HP experts to talk to
- so I could make some progress on my problem. I'm still bothered by
- the fact that it is evidently against company policy to permit me
- to talk to an HP employee who, say, knows how the linker works.
-
- Given this attitude on the part of HP, I'd have to recommend that research
- organizations avoid the company until they have a change of policy -- it
- shouldn't be a secret as to how to do advanced programming on your
- workstation. If it is, and you need to do this kind of programming, it
- might be a good idea to buy someone else's.
-
- Even more to the point, should there not be a boycott of support for GNU
- software on the HP platform? It seems that, just as in cases of other
- companies that are boycotted by FSF, HP has a policy that is directly
- contrary to the survival of the free software idea (after all, if everyone
- made like HP, where would free software be? It's just like if Ford had
- copyrighted the steering wheel, blah, blah, ... you get the idea).
- --
- Roland Dreier dreier@math.berkeley.edu
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