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- From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn)
- Subject: Re: Drive drive
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- Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 23:22:57 GMT
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- scott@nic.gac.edu (Scott Hess) writes:
- > anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
- > >Background: Several people have suggested solving the archive server
- > >space crunch by asking users to kick in money to purchase additional
- > >drives for sonata and orst. I've volunteered to collect pledges
- > >and to contact Purdue and Oregon State to see what they think of
- > >the idea. I'll do that at the beginning of next week. Five people
- > >pledged money in the first hour, six counting me. The amounts so
- > >far are like $10-$20 for each server site.
- > >
- > >Respondents so far think it's a cool idea and are making other
- > >useful suggestions too.
- >
- > I would be willing to toss in a couple bucks. My problem, though,
- > is that I am not certain if I wish to donate money for disk space.
- > It seems to me that the major problem at Purdue is _not_ diskspace,
- > it is management. I've talked to Allen (the student manager)
- > before, and he's a great guy, but I suspect he's been a bit busy,
- > lately. Cleaning up the submissions directory would probably free
- > up a number of meg right off the bat.
- >
- > Furthermore, one poster on the net has put forth the opinion that
- > they think that using a better compression algorithm isn't the way
- > to go, so rather than waste everyone's time, buy more disk space.
- > Well, yes and no. I have no doubt that even if we purchase a gig
- > or two of disk space, it will soon be gone in _any_ case.
-
- I agree that getting more disk space is not the ultimate solution. Once an
- archive site has "a reasonable amount" of disk space, it is more important
- to manage the disk space it has than to simply throw more on the system.
-
- My feeling is that sonata is not at that "reasonable amount". Cs.orst.edu
- might be now, with the disk they just added to their system. I do feel that
- the money we come up with should probably be split between those two archive
- sites, as those are the two largest repositories for NeXT-specific software.
-
- I have no doubt that if we purchase a gig or two of disk space, it will soon
- be gone. I also have no doubt that if maintainers of the archive took the
- time to clean out & compress everything, the space gained will also be soon
- gone. (to claim otherwise is to claim that cleaning up and compressing
- things will free up more than 2 gig. I consider that unlikely).
-
- My feeling is that we will better off if both things happen. I suspect that
- no matter which route we go right now, we'll *have* to have both things
- happen fairly soon. This will be particularly true once NeXT is shipping
- NS486 and NS-RISC systems.
-
- > I have a feeling that most system administrators would back me up on
- > that point! In my experience, zip (or gzip) would reduce the disk needs
- > by up to %40, which is a pretty substantial improvement. Furthermore,
- > compression is free and works even if new disk space is purchased,
- > so investment in a reasonable compression scheme is going to keep
- > paying back in the future.
-
- Instead of racing to convert everything over to gzip, and later buying disk
- space, I (personally) would rather buy the disk space and then slowly ease
- into superior compression mechanisms. I'm sure that wizards like Scott will
- have no trouble with whatever compression scheme is used, but we don't know
- that all NeXT users will be ready for this. I'd rather ease into a change
- in compression schemes, instead of cutting over in some mad rush to save
- some (sorely needed) disk space.
-
- The ideal solution would be to find out that NeXT included gzip on NS3.1,
- but I guess that even that wouldn't make the transition painless. Someone
- who is downloading software for a NS1.0 system (assuming all that is kept
- around) isn't going to be too happy to find out they have to upgrade to
- NS3.0 in order to decompress the file they have.
-
- Does the new gzip compile on older versions of NeXTSTEP?
-
- --
- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu
- ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail)
- Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
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