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- From: exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (Sunbird a la 400ci)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
- Subject: Re: local bus hard disk
- Message-ID: <exuptr.762.0@exu.ericsson.se>
- Date: 26 Jan 93 23:04:58 GMT
- References: <1993Jan23.231824.24755@rose.com> <1993Jan24.014406.27423@mlb.semi.harris.com> <C1E0sw.I4o@unix.portal.com>
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- In article <C1E0sw.I4o@unix.portal.com> danb@shell.portal.com (Dan E Babcock) writes:
- >In article <1993Jan24.014406.27423@mlb.semi.harris.com> sonny@trantor.
- harris-atd.com (Bob Davis) writes:>>In article <1993Jan23.231824.24755@rose.
- com> gyl.midroni@rose.com (gyl midroni) writes:
-
- >> Even the fastest single drives can only spin the bytes under
- >>the drive's head at around 3 million bytes/sec.
-
- >That's about right. A few can break 4MB/s.
-
- Can you say "on-board cache"?
-
- >> So, isn't a 5.33 million bytes/sec 16-bit slot on the ISA bus pretty
- >>much up to the task of delivering and retrieving data to and from a
- >>single hard drive that is only capable of spinning the data off or onto
- >>the platters at a 3 million bytes/sec rate?
-
- There's no such animal on an AT. 5.33 MB/sec would require absolutely no
- interruptions and no wait-states on an IO cycle at 8 MHz.
-
- This rarely happens, especially if you are copying a file, for example. The
- file must go in and out over the same bus. As you say, if it goes back to
- the same drive, then the drive could be a limitation, also, but if you are
- pumping it out over a network or to your screen or something else, the drive
- is not getting full bus utility anyway.
-
- >> And isn't it expensive overkill to provide a 132 million bytes/sec
- >>truck (local bus) to haul 3 million bytes/sec freight ( a fast hard drive's
- >>maximum, spin-limited data transfer rate)? Seems like that expensive local
-
- Yes, no. You hardly ever get to use 100% of what is there. 33 * 4 MBytes/
- sec may indeed be overkill, but it will definitely give you more throughput
- even on a single drive, especially if there is any cache involved. The
- cache will transfer at the full speed of the bus, plus any wait states.
-
- >The "132MB/s" figure is just for marketing. The actual transfer rate is
- >limited by the speed of DRAMs. 20-30MB/s is realistic.
-
- This depends. If you have near 0 wait-state operation, you can pump this
- stuff off the bus back into RAM at 4 bytes / clock cycle on a 486.
-
- But again, your bus may have wait states, and if memory is not interleaved
- and fast, you won't really get close to 0 ws operation. If you figure 1 bus
- ws and 2 mem ws, then you can transfer 4 bytes from bus to mem in 5 cycles.
- This is indeed within the quoted range.
-
- But remember the AT bus is subject to all that limitation also.
-
- >You hit the nail on the head: all this only matters if you're using an
- >OS that will take advantage of it (i.e. not MSDOS :-))
-
- This doesn't figure with my experience. Improvement under DOS is not as
- dramatic as you would conclude from the figures, but it is significant.
-
- >>system without heavy multitasking requirements. Certainly, I am not going
- >>to improve the prolonged data transfer rate onto or off the disk --
- >>3 million bytes/sec is as fast as data physically can be sucked up or spewed
- >>out.
-
- >Right. It goes without saying that a faster bus is not going to improve
- >single-drive performance.
-
- Not true. Bus delay is ON TOP of the disk access speed. You will in any
- case increase total throughput because the data spends less time on the bus,
- all other things being equal.
-
- Not only that, I have seen it :-D
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