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- From: treadway@llnl.gov (Thomas Treadway)
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- Subject: Re: Future of HP 9000/300 series?, and the 9000/834, or How to screw a customer?,
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- Date: 22 Jan 93 02:44:59 GMT
- References: <1993Jan17.205747.18965@mcs.kent.edu>
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- David Chrin (davidc@mcs.kent.edu) wrote:
- > Sorry folks, I have to get this off my chest (and I hope Thomas sees this):
- >
- > In article <1993Jan13.180150.3999@hpcvusn.cv.hp.com>, tomg@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_GATEWAY_FILE (Thomas J. Gilg) writes:
- > |> Michael Bryan (michael@resonex.com) wrote:
- > |> > With more and more people using and switching to the 700 series systems,
- > |> > does anybody know anything about HP's future plans for the 300 series?
- > |>
- > |> Announcements will be made in the next few months detailing support
- > |> and future efforts for HP-UX on s300/s400 and Domain/OS on s400/DNseries
- > |> machines.
- > |>
- > |> Thomas Gilg
- > |> tomg@cv.hp.com
- >
- > I'm willing to bet the "announcements" will be much like what HP did to the
- > owners of 834's with the graphics displays. (I have 3).
- >
- > We issued a PO for only software update service at $4,260 for the 3 systems
- > early last fall. After the PO was issued, (but fortunately before we paid),
- > I got a letter from the systems support division that said quote:
- >
- > "This letter is to inform you that the latest version of the HP-UX
- > operating system, 9.0, is due for shipment in October. This release
- > is not supported on your system."
- >
- > So, why the hell did HP issue a software update support contract
- > to us, if they had no intention of honoring it by providing updates?
- > In my book, this is fraud. Needless to say we did not pay. The
- > letter goes on:
- .. deleted
-
- Yes, Hewlett-Packard Customer Support has hit an all time low in
- customer satisfaction. I've received letter (P/N 5063-
- 2909) and brochure (P/N 5961-3455) on what to expect in the
- up coming HP-UX 9.0 software release. To my surprise, my HP
- 9000 Model 835 TurboSRX was listed as "unsupported hardware"!
- What gives? About one month before release 9.0 is due HP
- tells me that they are no longer going to support my machine,
- i.e. no 9.0, no X11 Release 5, no Motif 1.2, no Vue 3.0, no
- Vue Lite, no Fortran 90, and no LVM. Why 9.0 may have even
- have fixed the poor performance introduced with the 8.0
- release. This machine is only 3 years old, it seems a little
- early to be obsoleted. When this machine was bought
- (originally as an 825 SRX) HP was selling PA-RISC systems as
- "technical solutions" (replacements for HP1000's and RTE) and
- superworkstations supporting real-time features, like kernel
- preemption and powerfail recovery. These systems were still
- in the books in 1990. In my case its a little late in the
- fiscal year to drop that bomb. Business needs require time
- for budget and strategy planning.
-
- The brochure's only consolation was an "attractive upgrade
- program to upgrade to a high performance Series 700 CPU".
- Granted the 700 systems are screamers, with blazing graphics
- when compared to my 835. However the Series 700 falls short
- of a viable alternative in several ways. The 700's don't
- provide most of the features that you almost take for granted
- on the 800's, such as battery backup memory, powerfail
- recovery, disk partitioning, disk mirroring,
- and performance utilities like sar, sa1, timex.
- The hardware limitations of the 700 systems are even more
- severe when compared to my 835, with 7 I/O slots, additional
- 8 I/O expander slots, multi-head graphics support for 2
- active and 2 passive graphic subsystems. Why the TurboSRX
- even provides hardware pan and zoom, as well as a 4bit
- overlay plane! All of this is cleanly mounted in 2 full
- height EIA 19S racks. None of my current disk interfaces
- (HP-IB and HP-FL), as well as 1/2" and cartridge tapes are
- supported by the 700's.
-
- Maybe I should have realized that something was amiss when HP
- started calling the 800's Business Servers (what happened to
- the S600?), stopped providing graphics heads on 800's,
- started calling anything with a graphics head a workstation,
- and forgot to include X11 and Vue with my initial HP-UX 8.0
- release. HP has gladly taken my money for hardware and
- software support this last October with not so much as a hint
- that the 835tSRX was not going to be supported at HP-UX 9.0.
-
- I am requesting that the technical support for the 800
- "workstations" (S825, S834, S835, etc.) be continued
- indefinitely and that no further discrimination be made
- between the workstation and multi-user worlds. Also that HP
- make an effort at providing a greater choice in viable HP
- technical solutions.
- --
- Thomas R. Treadway treadway@llnl.GOV
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