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- Subject: Re: Patches online, was Re: Unix Review review of Alpha/OSF
- Message-ID: <1993Jan23.123005.337@rlgsc.com>
- Date: 23 Jan 93 12:30:05 EST
- References: <1993Jan20.194415.17508@decuac.dec.com> <1jnl76INN62n@slab.mtholyoke.edu>
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- In article <1jnl76INN62n@slab.mtholyoke.edu>, mcrowley@MtHolyoke.edu (Michael A. Crowley) writes:
- > Bill Rye (rye@scmbrd.dco.dec.com) wrote:
- >> It all boils down to legalities. ...
- >
- > I want patches online. But I don't think they are as necessary
- > online as the information *about* the patches.
- >
- > ...
- >
- > I know I can get tapes of patches from CSC, and have. However,
- > I and my staff have also spent time troubleshooting problems that
- > ater turn out to have patches to fix them. I would be happy to call
- > CSC and give my authorization number and have the patches mailed
- > to me, either postal or uuencoded (I've done it both ways),
- > BUT we need to know they exist!
- >
- > I would like to see online:
- > * the release notes, current version
- > * the list of patches and the notes concerning them
- >
- > It would be nice to also get them online, but I'm more concerned
- > with the personnel time involved in all this.
- >
- > So I'm requesting that everyone who feels strongly about this,
- > include these options to their sales rep and thus avoid all
- > the "we can't issue online patches because..." arguments, when
- > what we really want is to spend less time troubleshooting problems
- > and more time to simply getting them fixed.
- > mac.
- > -----------------------------------------------
- > Michael A. Crowley mcrowley@mtholyoke.edu
- > Director of Network and Technical Services
- > Mount Holyoke College, South Hadley, MA 01075
- --
- Michael,
-
- To a large extent, this entire discussion gives me a sense of
- "Deja Vue". Back before the beginning of time (about 5 years ago)
- Digital published the "Software Dispatch", a publication received
- by supported customers which included warning notices concerning
- the various software products. Several years ago, this
- information was extremely useful, often as a warning of potential
- problems.
-
- Beginning around that time, when machine readable update kits
- started appearing, the content of the Dispatch started
- dissipating. More and more articles took on the tone of "there is
- a problem with XX, which is fixed at Autopatch D". Often no
- diagnosis, no work around, no pathology, just a note that there
- was a bug and that a purported fix was available. As you noted,
- this level of information is, for many purposes, useless.
-
- I would like to see a return to the days of the useable Dispatch,
- even in an electronic form, which would provide warning of
- problem before hitting them. The obscuring of product status (by
- all of the manufacturers) is tremendously wasteful in time and
- resources to the customer base.
-
- I hope that this information is useful. If there are any
- questions concerning my comments, please feel free to contact me
- via Email.
-
- - Bob
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