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- From: atkinson@itd.nrl.navy.mil (Randall Atkinson)
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- Subject: Re: 1003.7.1/Palladium/Existing Practice
- Date: 28 Jan 1993 15:49:08 -0800
- Organization: Naval Research Laboratory, DC
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- Submitted-by: atkinson@itd.nrl.navy.mil (Randall Atkinson)
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- In article <1k9braINN70g@ftp.UU.NET> jason@cnd.hp.com (Jason Zions) writes:
- >>Also, there was already precedent set within POSIX by the POSIX.2
- >>inclusion of lp(1) as a command line interface for printing.
- >Doug Gwyn already addressed this; one can bind the lp interface to Palladium
- >and still have the 1003.2-required right thing happen.
-
- Unfortunately, regular ordinary users ALSO need something like
- lpq/lpstat and lprm/cancel and POSIX.2 did not address those needs at
- all. I'd be MUCH MUCH happier if the POSIX.7 folks or the POSIX.2
- folks had in fact provided those customary existing practice
- interfaces. Some folks might be surprised how much installed base
- there is in people and shell scripts that use these commands.
-
- > The completed OSI APIs (1224, 1224.1, and 1224.2) are all based on
- > specifications developed by X/Open and other groups and for which
- > there were multiple independent implementations.
-
- I had construed POSIX == 1003.x only and never ever use OSI and
- so have not been trying to track that at all. (I print lots of
- things daily by contrast).
-
- Palladium is existing practice in very few if any places, while
- lp/lpr and friends are existing practice in an absolutely overwhelming
- number of places already.
-
- > Sure, it's not close to a majority of the users of distributed
- > printing technology, but no one way of doing real-time on Un*x is
- > dominant either, ...
-
- I don't recall saying I was a big fan of the real-time work either.
- In fact, I'm inclined to dislike most of it because UNIX/POSIX is
- almost certainly not the most appropriate basis for a real-time OS. I
- used to work in real-time controls and so while I am a fan of UNIX, I
- also know enough to know that UNIX is not the optimal OS from a
- real-time perspective.
-
- Palladium is used in very very few places compared with lp/lpr and
- friends. A trivially small number by comparison, in fact.
-
- > I admit to being the one that asked them to probe their mock-ballot
- > group for the acceptability of Palladium, and the one that helped the
- > rest of the TCOS SEC accept their word that it was okay.
-
- Word on the street is that there were only about 25 ballots on the
- Palladium mock-ballot. I dunno if that is true. If it is even
- approximately true, then the mock ballot tells no one anything either
- way about the suitability of Palladium -- simply because of too few
- ballots to interpret in any meaningful way.
-
- I really really hope a whole lot more folks participate in the real
- ballot when that happens. I have real fears that not enough people
- will thoroughly look through the POSIX.7 proposal when the time comes
- (and I've certainly at least gotten a lot more people interested in
- the effort, though some are VERY unhappy with how I did that.) Time
- will tell if very many people will participate.
-
- Ran
- atkinson@itd.nrl.navy.mil
-
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- Volume-Number: Volume 30, Number 47
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