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- From: maxtal@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (John MAX Skaller)
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- Subject: Re: Use of nested functions
- Message-ID: <1993Jan26.224107.9187@ucc.su.OZ.AU>
- Date: 26 Jan 93 22:41:07 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan22.081555.12027@us-es.sel.de> reindorf@us-es.sel.de (Charles Reindorf) writes:
- >On the subject of "trampolenes" in the implementation of nested functions,
- >this >presumably means the following appraoch:
- >
- >Some people say that they "don't like" trampolenes, but don't seem to give any
- >reason for it.
-
- Separation of code and data is an important machine
- principle for safety. Some machines (all the good ones :-) do not
- allow executing things in the data area.
-
- Trampolines feel a bit like the Cobol ALTER statement:
- dangerous hacks.
-
- >The main objection I can see is that on some operating systems
- >you are not allowed to do any run-time code generation.
-
- Some OS may not grant the user the priviledges required
- to generate and execute code on the fly. This is because
- it is close to 'self-modifying' code, which is not
- generally considerd very safe.
-
- >But there again, in
- >these architectures there do exist other,
- >addmittedly less efficient workarounds
- >to this problem, surely.
-
- Such as? I would LOVE to hear of one that did not require
- the standard C/C++ function pointers to double in size.
-
- >
- >Other people talk about "bound" functions which presumably means that given an
- >object a of class A with member function f, then "a.f" can be regarded as a new
- >function (whose pointer can be taken) with a non member-function signature. The
- >only way I can see of using a trampolene appraoch for this situation is to place
- >the trampolene for the function a.f into the object a itself. This increases
- >the memory overhead for function a. In fact, the compiler would have to do
- >this by default for every member function of a, because it won't know in
- >advance which will be bound (without ghastly extensions to the language). This
- >surely makes member function closures an impracticable and unworkable addition
- >to the language?
- >
-
- No, one can just leave it up to the user to delete the
- trampoline---as for other dynamically allocated objects. It is not
- as 'safe' as puting the trampoline in the object (or a pointer thereto),
- but even that isnt safe (the trampoline could still be called
- after it was deleted --- very nasty crash following, perhaps sometime
- later).
-
-
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