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- From: sarr@sinshan.citi.umich.edu (Sarr J. Blumson)
- Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
- Subject: Re: Why is the Software Process NOT working
- Date: 28 Jan 1993 16:31:56 GMT
- Organization: University of Michigan, CITI
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- In article <1993Jan27.230924.3213@tcsi.com> miket@hermes.tcs.com (Michael Turner nmscore Assoc.) writes:
- >In article <1993Jan27.170835.7333@ncar.ucar.edu> ethan@earl.scd.ucar.edu (Ethan Alpert) writes:
- >>
- >>If there is a problem it is the lack of really experienced role models for
- >>new employees. SWE is not like any of the other engineering disciplines.
- >>In the software industry individuals with 30 years experience are considered
- >>obsolete where in most other engineering disciplines someone with 30 years
- >>of experience is a gold mine of usefull pratical relevant information.
- >
- >I'm trying to think if I've *met* anyone in SWE with 30 years of experience
- >(and who was still practicing). Maybe one, but even then, he really
- >started out as a HW engineer.
-
- I met my first computer in 1963. Now you know two. I know some
- others. I was also never a hardware engineer.
-
- >Another is that, unlike in many fields, 30 years ago, even the term
- >"software engineering" was not well-accepted, so how many people were
- >properly called "software engineers" back then? For a person to be
- >considered a goldmine of information, there has to be a value placed
- >on gold!
-
- Of course nobody was called a software engineer then. I would think
- that the question is what we did, not what we were called. What we
- did was design, build and test software. Is that, perchance, what
- software engineers do.
-
- >Finally, there is the vicious circle: because of a lack of engineering
- >tradition, and the pace of technological change, management has a harder
- >time doing its job, leading to early career burnout for SWE. I don't
- >know many SWE's in their forties. People move on. Where? I don't know.
- >I'm 37 now, and would like to at least plan for a possible exit.
-
- This has nothing to do with software, it is true of ALL engineering
- disciplines (if not life in general); IBM is dumping all its older
- people, not just software people. The primary reason for this is that
- new grads are cheaper. But underlying this, or at least helping to
- managers convince themselves that the short term savings are not a
- long term loss, is the claim, advanced by many (usually academics but
- not always) engineers, that tools and methodologies can reduce
- engineering to a no brain operation that can be done by anyone who has
- been toaght to use the tools and methodologies, and so experience has
- no value.
-
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-
- (Sarr Blumson)
-