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- From: mattb@plato.ds.boeing.com (Matt Baney)
- Subject: Re: Why is the Software Process NOT working
- Message-ID: <C1F1vC.27B@plato.ds.boeing.com>
- Reply-To: mattb@plato.boeing.com (Matt Baney)
- Organization: Boeing Defense & Space Group
- References: <1993Jan19.155446.13593@cs.few.eur.nl> <1993Jan20.132009.10982@cc.gatech.edu>
- Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:33:11 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan20.132009.10982@cc.gatech.edu> tomg@cc.gatech.edu (Tom Gale) writes:
- >> So I wonder, what happens when they leave university? Do they forget
- >> everything they have learned. Or is there some mysterious fact
- >> that changes you when you start working.
- >
- >I think they're doing exactly what they were taught in the universities.
- >
- >This is a bit of a generalization, but I don't see much emphasis on
- >process improvement, quality, and good software engineering skills in
- >general in our university curriculums. Sure, there may be a few
- >elective courses in software engineering or software management, but
- >in 90% of the courses programming assignments are done as a complete
- >hack in order to meet some short term deadline with the knowledge that
- >the code will be thrown away when finished. My impression is that
- >most students view software engineering courses as a nuisance with too
- >much report writing and not enough coding. Hacking on the other hand
- >has a mystique in the academic setting that breeds hacker wanna-be's.
- >
- >So I believe that universities are breeding grounds for hackers. It
- >isn't until they've come out into the real world and been involved in
- >several failed projects that the light begins to come on.
- >
- I agree, in college you learn to hack out code, mainly on your own without
- any input or help from any outside people (but occasionally in small groups),
- that will never be used or looked at again by yourself or anyone else, code
- that will never be "used" by any user. Yet when programmers get to the
- real world they are expected to work together with other programmers, work
- on a small part of a much larger program, write code that is maintainable
- by someone-else, or maintain someone-elses code, and finally write code that
- will be used and tested by a completely separate group of people.
-
- I would like to see a two or three segment sequence of computer science
- courses where in Segement I: programming teams of 3-4 people must build
- some sizable application, including a users manual and maintenance manual,
- then in the next segments, the programming teams are re-shuffled and the
- new teams act as users of one of the applications from the previous segment
- and maintainers of another. And are not allowed to be user or maintainers
- of an application they helped develop? The user groups and/or instructor
- would propose some enhancements/modifications that the maintenance groups
- would have to implement.
-
- FWIW
- matt
-
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