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- From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
- Subject: Re: smalltalk on SLS (was Re: SLS update: missing make)
- Message-ID: <2B5DD202.8584@tct.com>
- Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 22:28:17 GMT
- References: <2B5C223C.8597@tct.com> <9181@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com> <2B5CD671.14307@tct.com> <9195@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com>
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- According to jjctc@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com (James C. Tsiao):
- >In article <2B5CD671.14307@tct.com> chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:
- >>They can ask someone in the know to tell them what they need.
- >
- >Yes, but the E-mail and Usenet connections cost money, too, just like ftp.
-
- For the relevant messages, pennies.
-
- James quotes the SLS README:
- > Tiny base system: 9 Meg (Series 'a')
- > Main base system: 25 Meg (Series 'a', 'b' and 'c')
- > Main base system + X11: 45 Meg (Series 'a', 'b', 'c' and 'x')
-
- I didn't realize that Peter uses the term `base' to describe the
- entire "b" series. Granted, that usage is misleading, and the README
- could use some elaboration. But then, in my experience, no document
- can be both complete and up-to-date for long.
-
- >>The solution is _knowledge_. Don't blindly download, as I recall
- >>suggesting in my first article. Ask before fetching.
- >
- >Learning is a continual process. At what point do you suggest that new
- >users should say to themselves "Yep, I've got enough knowledge. I can
- >now fire up ftp"?
-
- They can proceed after asking the question, "What do I really need?"
- and getting an answer from a trusted source, I suppose. No one need
- understand the details of SLS's operation just to use it. But any
- installer needs some knowledge of what's important and what isn't.
-
- >I would think that reading all the text files available for downloading
- >would be sufficient.
-
- Well, if the existing documents aren't up to snuff, you could always
- write something yourself. That's how these things get done, you know.
-
- >I don't think it is necessary for them to post to c.o.l. and ask what
- >is the minimum required to get X11 running when picking and choosing
- >from the different series.
-
- Actually, you are mistaken. It _is_ necessary. Or did you mean that
- you think it _shouldn't_ be necessary? If so, then my previous
- suggestion about doing something instead of complaining is doubly
- applicable.
-
- >>I do not object if Peter chooses to make such a separation. My
- >>objection is to pompous statements which attempt to dictate how a
- >>dedicated volunteer goes about his generous and unpaid work.
- >
- >"Attempt to dictate"?
-
- I overstated my case. Allow me to try again.
-
- You complained about Peter's policies. It was and is my perception
- that your tone is one of injured complaint, and not of a grateful
- recipient sharing a suggestion; and I resent such an attitude directed
- at a helpful volunteer. If I'm mistaken, well, these things happen in
- text-only communication.
-
- >Then, you, Mr. Salzenberg, wrote in followup to my questions:
- > "Pick and choose, man. Use your brain."
- >If any statement is 'pompous', it is that one.
-
- No, it's not. Condescending, perhaps, but not pompous.
-
- >All of my 'pompous' statements are directed toward you, Mr. Salzenberg,
- >usually mirroring a _specific_ 'pompous' statement made by you from a
- >previous post.
-
- So I'm responsible for the tone of your articles? Ha. No responsible
- person attempts to absolve himself of the bad effects of his actions
- by blaming the actions of others. Irresponsible people, of course, do
- it all the time.
- --
- Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
- "you make me want to break the laws of time and space / you make me
- want to eat pork / you make me want to staple bagels to my face /
- and remove them with a pitchfork" -- Weird Al Yankovic, "You Make Me"
-