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- From: bvrotney@ADS.COM (Bill Vrotney)
- Subject: Re: Why Isn't Lisp a Mainstream Language?
- In-Reply-To: welch@sacral.cis.ohio-state.edu's message of 26 Jan 1993 20:56:15 -0500
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- Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 07:01:06 GMT
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- In article <WELCH.93Jan26205611@sacral.cis.ohio-state.edu>
- welch@sacral.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arun Welch) writes:
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- > I think an associated question we should be asking is "How can we
- > increase Lisp's popularity"? Knowing why it isn't popular is a good
- > thing to discuss, but it would also be good to know where to go from
- > here. Another question is "Should Lisp be a mainstream language?" I'm
- > not sure the answer to that is yes. A lot of neat ideas have risen out
- > of Lisp not having been standardised to death early on. CLOS is a case
- > in point. If we'd standardised on Interlisp and LOOPS or Zetalisp and
- > Flavors I think we'd be a lot poorer today.
-
- Yes "Where to go from here?" I am disappointed that the Lisp leadership is
- not addressing this question. This begs for something like the Common Lisp
- project but aimed at making Lisp smaller and faster in an organized way. I
- was reading about a KERNEL lisp specification in Lisp and Symbolic
- Computation. Perhaps something along these lines should be hit with force.
- Lisp leadership where are you? Give us something to be hopeful for.
-
- As far as Lisp's popularity. When Arabic numerals were first introduced to
- people using Roman numerals it took them 400 years to convert to Arabic.
- What's new? Forget the Lisp haters. Dwelling on why Lisp is not popular can
- lead to no useful activity. If Lisp is a good idea it will still be here
- after C++ is gone. Even if Lisp was "perfect" the Lisp haters would not want
- to use it, so why try to make them happy. Let's make the people who like
- Lisp happy for now, the rest will take its course.
-
- If this thread is going to lead to anything useful I would hope it be to
- expose Lisp's weak points and instigate a new Lisp direction to fix them.
- For sure, most of those that worked on the Common Lisp project would delight
- in an opportunity for another major refinement. Perhaps Clinton's new
- technology direction will provide the money to do it.
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- Bill Vrotney
- BAH/Advanced Decision Systems
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