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- From: mikeh@starnine.com (Mike Haas)
- Subject: Re: Documenting
- Message-ID: <C1JIHD.F64@starnine.com>
- Sender: mikeh@starnine.com (Mike Haas)
- Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 01:22:23 GMT
- References: <1504@eouk9.eoe.co.uk> <1993Jan21.171538.29836@exu.ericsson.se>
- Organization: StarNine Technologies, Inc.
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- In article <1993Jan21.171538.29836@exu.ericsson.se> exuhag@exu.ericsson.se writes:
- >Andrew Haley writes:
- >>
- >>I asked him about that a few weeks ago.
- >
- >Thanks for posting this, Andrew. This is interesting stuff.
- >
- >>Chuck's environment has never stood still. He's been refining it and
- >>making it simpler and simpler for what he wants to do.
-
- This may be exactly why Chuck is not necessarily an authority on
- what's necessary for "mainstream" Forth... his work always has a strong
- flavor of "just what I want". This is exactly the wrong point of view
- if one is trying to develop platform software development environments.
-
- >>
- >>Chuck has always been willing to throw away
- >>anything in Forth which isn't ideal for the job at hand; what we might
- >>recognize as "classical Forth" is microFORTH, circa 1978. He's been
- >>changing things ever since.
-
- And I'm very sure that he always ends up with a system that is
- excellent for what he is working on. But I doubt if others
- would be as successful with his syetm unless they were involved
- in a similar project.
-
- >
- >I suspected as much. He sounds like a true user of the language, not
- >someone just interested in making a fancy, asthetically pleasing tool
- >for it's own sake.
-
- As one myself, I doubt if the developers of super-forths do so
- "just for it's own sake". I'm quite certain that others have the same
- goal as I... to try and raise Forth to a level of genuine general
- useability... to show others how well Forth can serve in that role.
-
- >Arguing over various improvements is a waste of
- >time when you can simply implement them and get on with your work,
- >especially since this is the whole point of Forth.
-
- I didn't know there WAS a single "point" for Forth. No wonder
- it is rejected by mainstream industry.
-
- Arguing over improvments is normally an important step in
- improving anything. I suppose I'm to assume that Forth can't be improved,
- maybe that's why the various standards met with so much resistance,
- because they weren't needed?
-
- If Forth is ever to become a viable mainstream language (and I
- realize it probably never will), there is much arguing ahead.
- Actually, I have no doubts there is much arguing ahead in any
- case, and that's not a bad thing, except it seldom leads anywhere.
-
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