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- From: mfeldman@seas.gwu.edu (Michael Feldman)
- Subject: Re: Why and how do organizations select the OO
- Message-ID: <1993Jan25.042040.11659@seas.gwu.edu>
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- Organization: George Washington University
- References: <1993Jan22.144817.23862@mcc.com> <1993Jan22.203706.29355@seas.gwu.edu> <24691@alice.att.com>
- Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 04:20:40 GMT
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- In article <24691@alice.att.com> bs@alice.att.com (Bjarne Stroustrup) writes:
- >
- >I realize you probably can't name names, but it would be nice if you could
- >for two reasons. Firstly because charaltans ought to be exposed, secondly
- >because someone could misinterpret your statement into something condemning
- >lange groups of ``OO-experts'' as windbags who don't deliver. (there are
- >no shortage of windbags and self-proclaimed ``experts,'' but no one field
- >has a monopoly on them).
-
- You're right, Bjarne - I can't name names. I won't tar an individual with
- an ad hominem public attack, especially if I have no independent basis for
- it. I did not observe this consultant in action, nor see his work in this
- case. His client was frustrated but I can't really assess the reason for
- the frustration. And naturally no field has a monopoly on windbags.
-
- As is often my style, I chose a couple of anecdotes to comment on a
- more general situation, and to provoke reactions like yours :-)
-
- The point was not to tar OO experts as windbags, but to comment on the
- state of things. The customer in this case is thrashing around, has
- little knowledge of what's happening in the field, and is making purely
- political/religious statements. My distress came from the fact that
- the organization didn't seem really interested in finding out more
- or get really educated. They were - as is so often the case - arguing
- from nontechnical starting points. There are pro-OO and anti-OO factions
- in the group, neither being especially scientific. There is also a
- faction that believes the Ada mandate should be followed in their case,
- and a faction that is working harder to evade the mandate that they
- would need to work to follow it.
-
- Their state of knowledge of OO truly seemed to be "It's that stuff that
- C++ has and Ada doesn't." Some in the group were quite surprised to
- discover (from me) that Ada supports information hiding and private types.
- Their eyes glazed over when I got to the intricacies of inheritance.
- Somebody told them that OO was the way to go, but apparently did not
- explain just what that was supposed to mean. Somebody else told them
- that Ada absolutely, positively, could not be used for what they had
- in mind. They couldn't explain why, either, just that they'd read it
- somewhere (Government Computer News, maybe?).
-
- I wouldn't be surprised if there were more such groups out there.
- Your tax money at work, folks.
-
- Mike Feldman
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