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- From: ulbrich@informatik.uni-ulm.de (Jan Ulbrich)
- Subject: SerialGopher QA
- Message-ID: <1993Jan21.101139.17555@informatik.uni-ulm.de>
- Keywords: gopher
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- Organization: University of Ulm, Germany
- Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 10:11:39 GMT
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- Hello,
-
- Thanks for your interest on SerialGopher. Here are answers to a few
- questions
- I was asked.
-
- Thanks for more questions and have a nice day, Jan
-
- /// Jan Ulbrich -- flynn (remember tron?)
- o-o student at University of Ulm, Germany
- L
- _ address: ulbrich@informatik.uni-ulm.de
-
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- -----------------
-
- Q: Why we don't use SLIP for our Gopher-server.
- A: Two reasons:
- o The weaker one: There are only very few universities in germany
- you can
- access via SLIP - by now - and a free SLIP access for EVERYONE is
- not
- in sight.
-
- o More important for us: We wanted to write an independent system
- for
- presentation of data found on a server using an existing protocol
- to
- give our clients a good start. You can use our clients to access
- ordinary
- Gopher-servers via TCP/IP or SLIP and you can use them to form a
- serial
- connection to our server-software running with special gateways on
- computers
- that work as BBS or fido-box or even as a Internet-gateway - if
- you don't
- have SLIP. With gateways written for these and other systems you
- can melt
- the different BBS to one virtual server.
-
- I hope this makes our idea clearer: We want to leave the
- high-performance
- infrastructure you have on the Internet to give people without
- access to
- the Internet the possibility to start an own server an a PC,
- Amiga, Atari ST
- or something even worse, using the Gopher-protocol. A system that
- is better
- than videotext and even cheaper. And to hit the political aspect:
- If you give
- access to the Internet to everyone, it will break down. But
- everyone should
- have access to powerful information-systems - in reading and
- writing.
-
- ---
-
- Q: Why did you do this? In the Unix world, a user with software
- supporting
- VT100 emulation from their home can dial into any gopher server
- through
- their account on that machine and run gopher (as opposed to
- xgopher).
- A: We want to support also people who are not familiar with
- computers:
- You can't make them work with VT100 clients and we dont't want
- them to learn
- how to download and to convert data to get it finally displayed on
- their
- computer. To hit the political aspect: Everyone should have access
- to
- powerful information-systems - wirehead or not.
-
- ---
-
- Q: ... Unix gopher
- servers (and other types of gopher servers) probably need some
- enhancements
- to deal with data types specifically for Macintoshes (and other
- machines?).
- A: There is no need to enhance a gopher-server to match our idea. We
- only
- changed the way, gateways are supported. You need no
- machine-specific data
- types, but a good presentation of the types that are possible by
- now - for
- this you can't use a VT100-client.
-
- ---
-
- Q: As for BBSs, all you need is some knowledge of what is on each
- BBS, but
- that could be better integrated (through gopher, or whatever).
- A: What you mention needs a bootstrap: You need to know what you are
- looking
- for and you need to know where to search. Thats no
- informationsystem, but
- a filesystem.
-
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