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- From: wayne@backbone.uucp (Wayne Schlitt)
- Subject: Re: How many PC's make an Amdahl mainframe
- In-Reply-To: jjs40@cd.amdahl.com's message of 28 Jan 93 18: 52:05 GMT
- Message-ID: <WAYNE.93Jan28194258@backbone.uucp>
- Sender: wayne@backbone (Wayne Schlitt)
- Organization: The Backbone Cabal
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- <1993@niktow.canisius.edu> <128R02pn34lx01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>
- Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 01:42:58 GMT
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- In article <128R02pn34lx01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> jjs40@cd.amdahl.com (John Sullivan) writes:
- >
- > As far as memory and I/O are concerned, PC's in general still can't support
- > more than 16MB of RAM. A SCSI controller with DMA support provides about
- > the same functionality as a mainframe I/O channel. In theory, you can put
- > more than one in a PC, but the bus can't really support it at that point.
-
- Hmmm... We regularly sell pc's with 32MB of memory, and an EISA bus
- can certainly handle a couple of 32bit SCSI cards. Many motherboards
- now a days support 64MB of memory, and local bus SCSI boards are going
- to up the performance a lot. FDDI and such are making connecting
- hundreds of pc's together more practical. I would say that your
- numbers are already off by a factor of 2-4 and they number of PC's
- needed to "match" a mainframe is closing by a factor of 1.5 per year.
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- This is really a battle of "economy of scale" vs "economy of
- locality". It used to be much cheaper to by one 400MB disk than ten
- 40MB disks, but now with disk sizes exceeding 2GB and with the
- incredible volume of PC's the cheapest way to by a 40GB disk is to buy
- 20 2GB disks and put them in a RAID. Likewise with CPUs. The IBM
- 370/158's were around 200 times faster than an apple II, but now the
- fastest mainframe cpu is barely a factor of 2 or 3 faster than the
- high end RISC chips and _much_ more expensive. (CPU power as
- measured by integer or floating point code, not memory bandwidth,
- multiprocessing/interrupt stuff, etc.) The easiest way to get lots of
- MIPS nowadays its to use multiple CPUs, and many of the fastest
- computers are going toward using pretty much standard PC CPUs.
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- By the year 2000, what people call a "mainframe" and the things they
- will do with a "mainframe" won't look very much like what a
- "mainframe" was when the term was coined. Mainframes aren't dead, but
- they are having to fight really hard to just to stay sort of alive.
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- -wayne
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