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- From: robert@isgtec.com (Robert Osborne)
- Newsgroups: can.general,talk.politics.animals
- Subject: Re: Killing animals (was Re: hunting dog wanted)
- Message-ID: <4090@isgtec.isgtec.com>
- Date: 26 Jan 93 22:32:20 GMT
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- Rosemary Waigh (g9rwaigh@cdf.toronto.edu) wrote:
- : robert@isgtec.com (Robert Osborne) writes:
- : >Rosemary Waigh (g9rwaigh@cdf.toronto.edu) wrote:
- : [...]
- : >Maybe now you can explain why it's ok to painlessly kill vegatables for
- : >food but it isn't ok to painlessly kill animals for food.
-
- : 1. I question whether it is possible to painlessly kill animals.
-
- Massive head trauma will ensure that, chemically, the 'entity' that
- can feel pain is gone before the pain can possibly be registered
- or processed as pain. (Interestingly enough, this is how they
- kill baby seals.)
-
- : 2. Animals are sentient. They care whether they live or die.
-
- This begs the question. In order for something to care whether it
- lives or dies it must be sentient.
-
- A survival instinct is not enough to say something is sentient.
- Plants 'care' whether they live or die, look at how they grow,
- reach for the sun, heal themselves.
-
- : To kill them is to go against their wishes.
- : Killing non-human animals is wrong
- : for the same reasons that killing human animals is wrong.
-
- This breaks down if you hypothesis that animals are sentient
- is wrong.
-
- : A question for you: do you think it is ok to painlessly kill humans?
-
- Sometimes.
-
- Rob.
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