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From: [e-mail] (John LaRocque)
Subject: Re: Communist Progressive Tax System (was Re: Liberal Party Tax Policy)
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 03:48:08 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Dave Till) writes:

> Yes, but how did Bob earn his money?

So, who cares? but I digress...

> Did he earn the extra $300 because he hoarded a scarce resource, and forced
> people to buy it at the price he set?  (Read "Ten Lost Years" by Barry
> Broadfoot or "The Depression" by Pierre Berton to learn what can happen
> when a free-market economy goes haywire.)

Go ahead blame the evil heartless businessmen. What if Bob DID earn that
money? It is his. Or do you believe that we OWE something to society
(you know the line "your brother's keeper".... oh how communist)?
And besides, if anything there are too many laws interfering with
competition in the marketplace and guaranteeing the so-called mono-
polistic capitalism that Canada suffers from today. How's that for
anti-choice?

> Did he earn it because he happens, by chance, to be good at something that
> is currently in demand?  There are lots of people in the world with a great
> deal of natural ability *and* the willingness to work hard to develop this
> ability, but are unlucky enough not to be in demand in the marketplace at
> this time.  (Artists, for example.  Most serious artists work much harder
> than anyone else I know.  Of course, they don't think of it as work.)

I was in the music faculty for almost two years. I saw a dead end career
and people who sucked every enjoyment out of music and I saw my friends
graduate with a degree that no one would want. Artists - unfortunately
everybody thinks their the hottest thing on the block. I'll take Alice
Cooper over our university trained artists any day. And besides... HE
EARNED HIS MONEY!

Why am I in computer science? Because it requires BRAINS. The jobs of
the future depend not on how wealthy you are but HOW SMART YOU ARE.
If you drop out of school you deserve to be unemployed and homeless.
If you go to university expecting greatness, with your parents money
and OSAP, expect nothing but tears. Hey History grads, I hear there
are jobs at the local McDonalds.

> Did he earn it because he happens to be gifted with abilities and/or
> stamina greater than that of those around him?  Do we want society to
> serve as a harsh form of social Darwinism?

Oh well. What is society anyways? Go read Ortega Y Gassett on why it
is impossible to define "society" (MAN AND SOCIETY?  --- oooh how sexist).
Ever seen Boyz in the Hood. The main character, Furious Styles (the dad)
says that on the SAT tests blacks and whites are equal where it
concerns MATH AND SCIENCES. There is no limit to the power of the human
brain. And none of that depends on "wealth". So get off your moralistic
high horse.

Spike Lee's comments in his making of Malcolm X (BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY)
condemn black kids for dropping out of school just because it is the
white thing to get A's. ( Chapter 1 ). Ever wonder why the sons and
daughters of so many Asian immigrants are going to run Canada in the
21st century. Because they studied hard. Their parents were poor,
uneducated, but that didn't stop them from greatness. You CAN work
towards success. We should all emulate these hard working
Canadians. They are kicking our asses because they are better workers,
expect less from society and actually contribute something to it,
unlike all to many white Canadians who sit back and expect their
pogey every month and whine why there are so few jobs. I think that
the immigrants should take over. They are better Canadians anyways.

> This is your first error in reasoning:  you are assuming that reward is
> strictly a function of effort.  This is not true:  reward is a function
> of effort, opportunity, and luck.  Only one of these three (effort) is
> controllable by an individual human being.

Oh there is this unknown idol called Destiny that somehow dictates all
our lives in advance (or is that God?). You are a determinnist. I believe
in the power of chaos. I am prepared for the world. Man, you have just
missed the train.

> This is your second error in reasoning:  you are assuming that taking money
> away from Bob is "punishing" him.  Don't forget, it is in Bob's interest
> to ensure that no one starves to death and that every child has the
> educational opportunities he or she needs.

Did Jesus come down from the mountain to tell you that one (or Marx)?
Humans are NOT animals. You don't feed people like you feed Benji. "Oh
poor person (you poor creature), open wide as a caring society feeds you."
Oh how insulting. Oh the inhumanity. Boo hoo hoo. Better money management
and less waste on lottery tickets, cigarettes and booze would save money.
Yes the individual CAN fight back and feed himself and his family.
You must think people are utter morons that they can't understand that
they have to eat to live.

I am a man, not a slave, not a dog. And not bound to a social system which
treats people like domesticated pets.

> At the very least, Bob will
> sleep more soundly at night knowing that his tax dollars are preventing
> suffering.  At best, one of these people whom Bob is supporting today
> might come up with a cure for cancer, or produce a beautiful work of art
> which Bob can enjoy in his old age.

Stop cancer by doing the following:
1. Stop smoking. It's unhealty and an awful waste of money (including the
   money I unwillingly dole out to the health care system to look after these
   bozos).
2. Eat healthier.
3. If you see any bad signs, go to the frigging doctor. Don't say "It
   will get better". That won't look good on your tombstone.

Like AIDS, so much of cancer is completely preventable. Bob doesn't need
to spend a DIME on it. So much of the answers are already known, by way
of prevention.

> Er... but this means that Neil is paying only $30, and Bob is paying $60!
> What a leftist pinko approach!  Why not force them both to pay $60?
> Or, better yet, let's *reward* Bob for working hard to keep this country
> great!  Let's let Bob pay only $30, and force Neil to cough up $60!

I agree. Get people to work harder in order to PAY LESS. Just think about it.
You will pay LESS TAXES if you EARN MORE. Or, as in Robert Nozicks ANARCHY,
STATE and UTOPIA (unlike pop historians like Broadfoot and Berton), who
says that a completely private world is possible. This book is technical
,not for plebes who read Berton pablum as "history". (Berton is a self-
proclaimed socialist).

> And here is the crux of my argument:  what, exactly, constitutes "poor"?

Where people have no self-esteem. Where laws passed by the fortunate
few deprive "society" - that is, groups of individuals - of valuable
freedom. Where people who buy and trade freely are considered "criminals"
by the clerical and political establishments. Essentially, where the
individual is told "you are nothing. The state is everything. You OWE
society. You are your brother's keeper". This is communism, nazism,
fascism, majoritarian democracy. In this respect they are indeed all
the same.

> The way I see it, a society is wealthy not when a few of its luckier members
> are building luxurious houses while its less fortunate members sleep in
> the street:

Who provides incomes to the home builders? Who pays the butlers and the maids?
Who contributes to the economy. Let those who build luxurious houses be
PRAISED for bringing wealth to the economy. As H L Mencken said, the puritan's
greatest fear is that somewhere, someone out there might be happy. Socialism
is the philosophy of failure, and of envy. Socialism is the enemy of happiness.

> a wealthy society ("wealthy" in the larger sense of the word)
> gives everybody the opportunity to do what he or she does best, and ensures
> that no one is deprived of this opportunity.

Free markets or force (Sieg Heil!)? Remember, Hitler also said Bread and
Work.

>  This is what small-l liberalism
> is all about.  (Yes!  My true colours revealed at last!  I am one of *them*!
> To the battlements!)

You people made the word liberal DIRTY. You took away the true meaning of
liberalism. Classical liberalism - a philosphy that believes that people
are born to be free. Free from state tyranny. Free from control by those
who think they know better. A philosophy of free minds and free markets.
"I knew Thomas Jefferson. He was my friend. You are no Thomas Jefferson".

At least socialism is honest. Today's so-called Liberals have nothing better
to do then to kiss everybody's ass to keep them all happy. They say business
things to business people. They say labor things to labor people. They
are the worst lying sacks of s*** this country has ever known. And they
ran the country for such a long time that we don't know how to operate
things any different.

> I take it you've gotten your U.S. green card, have you?  Don't slam the door
> on your way out.

Why the US? Why not one of those "non-white" countries that don't punish
success? Asia is the economic powerhouse of the future. With each passing
generation, Japanese and Koreans and even the Chinese are beginning to
appreciate the things that we take for granted: civil liberties and the
right of the individual to his own happiness. Once the Chi-com cronies
in Peking (ohhh, Beijing) die, China will be the new Japan. A place of
massive change. It is now happening in South China near Hong Kong.
Take your Cantonese lessons. They will be the new bosses.

> Such as those that fund public universities such as Western?

Western. That party instituion for rich people? Ha, you think I care
for this place. Most of these people who are here because of Mommie and
OSAP are going nowhere with that degree that they spent a good $40 000 for.
Fools. Absolute fools. The critics are right: Western IS an elitist
institution. If I could, I would be at Waterloo right now. Sigh....
There is a REAL educational institution. Where the people who teach
courses cooperate with businesses to prepare the graduates for the
future. Why is it that of all the university graduates at Microsoft,
the majority of them come from Waterloo? This place kicks MIT's ASS.
And understands the connection between education and jobs. Unlike
Western. HAHAHAHAHA what a waste of money. All of my unemployed high
school pals who drank their way through social science. One guy couldn't
get a job pumping gas. What fools. I told them. Yes I did. But they
were stupid and deserve the "status" that their presence at university
gave them.

> There are large numbers of talented people who prefer to stay in Canada
> because:  (a) it's home, and (b) we *like* living in a place where there
> is a social safety net.  I am grateful that my country will try hard to
> keep me from starving in the street if employers stop wanting my skills
> and abilities.  (And, in case you are wondering:  I have earned my own
> living all of my adult life, and have enough marketable skills to ensure
> a good living in the U.S. if I wanted one.  I stay here by choice.)

Read up on the brain drain. There is an excellent post on this subject
(no its not by me, but it carries many of my sentiments). Read it and guess
why our brainy people are leaving. It's not the wealthiest people, it's
the smartest people, who will be running things. Only the LIBERAL SYSTEM
THAT PROMOTES BUSINESS MONOPOLY AND THE STATUS QUO stops the up-and-
coming entrepreneur from gaining real competition in the work place.

I respect immigrants for going where the money and the freedom is. They
truly know what makes Canada special. And they work hard for their money.
In many Third World Countries, the government controls everything.
Here there is some semblance of a free marketplace. Here there is some
semblance of freedom. They appreciate it much more than the guy
who was born here and lazily expects society to look after him. A truly
vile specimen. Maybe we should deport THEM instead.

> -- "Comrade" Dave Till
> "I worshipped dead men for their strength,/Forgetting I was strong."
>      -- Vita Sackville-West

"I shall not serve. I am not my brother's keeper"
John LaRocque