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- Subject: BIG-LAN Digest, Volume 5, Number 3, Friday, January 22, 1993
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- BIG-LAN DIGEST Friday, 22 January 1993 Volume 5 : Issue 3
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- Today's Topics:
-
- Token Ring media filters
- ANSI EIA /TIA 568, 569
- Routers as backbones
- READ THIS!
- FDDI cabling
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- Date: Sun, 17 Jan 93 16:23 CST
- From: "Don M. Wee/Loyola Univ Chicago" <$ACSDMW@LUCCPUA.BITNET>
- Subject: Token Ring media filters
-
-
- > BIG-LAN DIGEST Friday, 15 January 1993 Volume 5 : Issue 2
- > Date: Wed, 13 Jan 93 18:04:55 CST
- > From: Don Lewis <LEWIS@UMSLVMA>
- > Subject: Token Ring media filters
- > Does anyone have any recommendations for TR media filters that can
- > be used at 16M? We are using IBM 4/16 TR cards in PS/2s. We would like
- > to configure a segment of approx. 35 machines at 16M. Each machine
- > is wired back to a Cabletron HUB via cat 5 UTP.
- > Any suggestions will be appreciated.
- >
- > Don Lewis
- > UM-St. Louis
- Check with Cabletron. They told us to use StarTek filters with their
- hubs and IBM TR cards and they've been fine (after an abortive attempt
- to make CABLETRON filters work.....).
- - -----------------------------------------------------------------------
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-
- Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1993 0:02:11 GMT
- From: Kevin Brown <Kevin_Brown@netcomm.ie>
- Subject: ANSI EIA /TIA 568, 569
-
- ANSI EIA /TIA 568, 569
- Hi,
-
- Where can I get the full spec of the above wiring standards. Also, any
- comments on it's importance as a wiring standard. Have vendors started
- relating their products to this standard yet?
-
- regards,
-
- Kevin
-
- > Kevin Brown N | Network Integration and Training
- > NetComm e | Fax:353-1-323718
- > Glenlion Cliffs, The Baily t | Voice:353-1-323718
- > Howth, County Dublin C | email:Kevin_Brown@netcomm.ie
- > Ireland o | ________________________
- > m | :-)
- > m |
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-
- Date: Wed, 20 Jan 93 12:04:56 CST
- From: exudnw@exu.ericsson.se (Dave Williams)
- Subject: Routers as backbones
-
- This may be in some FAQ somewhere, but I can't find it.
-
- I'd like to hear from any large sites that have routers configured as
- backbones. There's lots of marketing hype from the router companies
- on why you "need" to do this, but very little in the way of hard info
- on configuration, performance and pitfalls.
-
- Our current configuration consists of about 400 SPARC clients fed by 13 Sun
- 4/490 servers. Each server has multiple NC400 Network Co-processors (one per
- client network), 2 IPI controllers and 6-8 IPI disks (some Saber's, some
- Elites)
- .
-
- We are currently setup in a straight hierarchical topology that looks something
- like this:
-
- server backbone (ethernet)
- +-----------------------+----------------------+-----> to existing router
- | | | (3270, x.25, etc.)
- | | |
- +-------+ +-------+ +-------+
- | 490 | | 490 | | 490 |
- | 1 | | 2 | | n |
- +-+-+-+-+ +-+-+-+-+ +-+-+-+-+
- | | | NC400 I/F's | | | | | |
-
- client client client
- networks networks networks
-
- We typically put a maximum of 25 diskless w/s on each client network and get
- about 60 clients per server. We run NIS, DNS, automounter, etc. and the whole
- thing works pretty well. We are currenly in the process of adding about 200
- disks to make about half of our client population dataless, the remainder is
- Sun SLC's :~(
-
- We started questioning this layout when we noticed our "server backbone" was
- hitting high % of possible lan bandwidth at peak hours of the day. We already
- had common data replicated on multiple servers but it's too big to copy to
- all of them. We thought about this for a bit and came up with the following
- possible solutions:
-
- 1) Put a large router (Cisco AGS+, Alantec, Wellfleet, etc.) in place of the
- server backbone. These typically have near-gigabit backplanes and have *got*
- to be faster than our current Ethernet 10 MB/sec "governor".
-
- 2) Connect the server's client networks to both the clients and the router
- and turn off routing in the servers. We did some informal tests and found
- that a single client could cause 10% server CPU load just routing a single
- "find" command. I've always heard that Suns made poor routers, but could
- never find any hard data on the subject.
-
- 3) Use the router as an FDDI connection to a single server containing all
- replicated filesystems. We thought this could be a SS10/41 with multiple
- fast SCSI disks. This would free up all the space currently taken up by
- replicated data spread over all the servers while providing for faster
- access and better configuration control.
-
- One question that looms is whether the replicated (read mostly) data server
- should use multiple ethernet I/F's, one to each client network (using more
- than one server) or use FDDI straight into the router. We don't have a lot
- of FDDI experience to guide us.
-
- Is the answer the same for database (read-write, non-NFS) servers as it is
- fo
- r
- "read mostly" (NFS) nodes? Which is better (for NFS and/or socket DB
- access)
- ,
- multiple ethernet segments in a "matrix" topology spread over each client
- network or single FDDI interfaces from each server into the router?
-
- We would end up with something like this:
-
- "old" server backbone
- (Left intact for sanity and backup if router ever blows)
- +--------------------------+-------------------------+-------------+
- | | | |
- | | | |
- +-------+ +-------+ +-------+ |
- | 490 | | 490 | | 490 | |
- | 1 | | 2 | | n | |
- +-+-+-+-+ +-+-+-+-+ +-+-+-+-+ |
- | | | NC400 I/F's | | | | | | |
- client client client |
- networks networks networks |
- | | | | | | | | | |
- +---+-+-+----------------------+-+-+---------------------+-+-+----+ |
- | enet enet enet | |
- | enet+-----+
- | router "backbone" |
- | FDDI/CDDI |
- +-----------------------------+----------------------------++-----+
- | ||
- X.25,3270 +-----++----+
- etc. | replicated|
- | data |
- | server(s) |
- | |
- +-----------+
-
- Are we on the trail of something good here or have we all been locked up in
- the hacketorium too long?
-
- Specifically:
-
- 1) Is turning off routing on the servers a *good* thing?
-
- 2) What will break?
-
- 3) What are we overlooking?
-
- 4) Are there any other large sites doing this kind of stuff?
-
- 5) Is FDDI better than multiple ethernet segments for our data server(s)?
- How about for database server(s)?
-
- Any comments/suggestions appreciated.
-
- = exudnw@exu.ericsson.se (214)907-7928 =
- = David Williams "You can't win, you can't break even, =
- = Ericsson Network Systems and you can't quit" =
- = Richardson, TX 75081 my opinions... =
-
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-
- Date: 22 Jan 93 01:00:34 CST
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- Subject: READ THIS!
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-
- Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 16:58:16 MET
- From: wojsyl@appli.mimuw.edu.pl (Wojtek Sylwestrzak)
- Subject: FDDI cabling
-
- We are in process of designing the first FDDI installation in Poland.
- As noone here seems to have any experience (quite obvious), we are almost
- completely on our own. I think our questions might be most trivial
- to people who have implemented the network.
-
- Our network is to connect several buildings (concentrators + 'to the desk'
- option) which are in about a mile distance from each other.
- At first we thought of putting 24 fibres, half of them multimode but recently
- we are more into using monomode fibres alone. Are there any disadvantages
- of this solution ? Prise perhaps ? What are the differences in cost of mono-
- and multi-mode equipment ? We thought that monomode is more expandable
- and more future-proof...
- The main use of the network is to connect local and remote graphic workstations
- to emerging supercomputing centre.
- Also what are the (dis)advantages of the dual ring topology as oposed to
- tree-like topology (with concentrators in nodes). Which is cheaper,
- faster, more reliable ?
- What is the difference between dual and single attached devices (in cost,
- performance ?)
-
- thank you,
- Wojtek Sylwestrzak
- - --
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