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- From: chroma@toad.com (Steve XI The Entity_Attache')
- Newsgroups: ba.internet,ba.news.group
- Subject: Re: new group on the way, and What does it take to create a ba group?
- Message-ID: <30938@toad.com>
- Date: 21 Jan 93 08:56:22 GMT
- References: <DOOM.93Jan11015741@elaine6.Stanford.EDU> <1993Jan12.021410.24067@odin.corp.sgi.com> <DOOM.93Jan12025934@elaine36.Stanford.EDU> <1993Jan15.192700.26021@nas.nasa.gov>
- Reply-To: chroma@toad.com.UUCP (Steve XI The Entity_Attache')
- Distribution: ba
- Organization: Skyline Genetic Engineering
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- In article <1993Jan15.192700.26021@nas.nasa.gov> eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:
- >In article <DOOM.93Jan12025934@elaine36.Stanford.EDU>
- >doom@elaine36.Stanford.EDU (Joseph Brenner) writes:
- >>Okay, so the next problem is to define the "topic" of this
- >>newsgroup I'd like to see created. The best name I've been
- >>able to come up with so far is "ba.hangout".
- >
- >From what it sounds like, my initially impression is that what you ask
- >would be extremely difficult, and I will try to illustrate why.
- >I think you are searching a news group with a particular atmosphere
- >like Stanford which you indirectly note three times in your post.
- >And I think what's happening is a change in the composition of
- >the readership. A readership which say might like services like
- >Prodigy(tm) for instance.
- >
- >>example: recently John McCarthy was posting to...
- >
- >Perhaps John could write the artificially intelligent moderator.
- >Let us know if he does.
- >
- >>Personally I've had a lot of experience with the kind of
- >>newsgroup I have in mind, coming out of my experiences on
- >>what used to be the default "bboard" on the old Tops-20
- >>systems they used to have at Stanford
- >
- >>So, does any of this make sense? It's tough to concisely
- >>describe this as a new newsgroup, because in a lot of ways
- >>the idea is to create an anti-newsgroup newsgroup, to do
- >>something different from what's currently being done with
- >>usenet.
- >
- >Jef's alt.hackers was another attempt at self.moderation.
- >
- >>(Here's a thought about discouraging flaming: the person in
- >>charge of the moderating software would be able to put
- >>habitual flamers in a list that would prevent them from
- >>being able to post. You give people three warnings, lets
- >>say, and if they persist they're essentially kicked off the
- >>newsgroup.)
- >
- >We actually considered ideas of blacklisting poor posters in misc.jobs.
- >Something which would have had moderately "harmless" effect on first time
- >offenders like for one week or month or something:
- > Joe Smith posted a resume in offering.
- > XYZ Co. posted in m.j.misc
- >ASSUMING those people got the message, they would not do it again.
- >It's fraught with problems: backups can be used to create permanent lists,
- >no real enforcement ability so people can continue "violating," etc.
- >
- >If more individuals blasted posters for ads in *.general (pointing
- >to the better groups), fine. We certainly don't have the gun arguments
- >we used to have in *.general.
- >
- >Best thing you can do is find knowledgeable people, and use the Net in
- >"wise ways."
- >
- >--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
- > Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
- > {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
- >Second Favorite email message: Returned mail: Cannot send message for 3 days
- >A Ref: Mathematics and Plausible Reasoning, vol. 1, G. Polya
-
-
-
- There is a bulliten board in Santa Cruz does this, and I have mixed
- feelings about it. It does sort of, unless one is very careful boil
- down to kowtowing the sysop's tastes. However I must that some of the
- people who were outright banned from posting, well they could post but
- their messages were "invisible" to all but themselves and superusers,
- were pretty bad and/or flame prone. Some have graduated to "USENET" fame
- and now there are instructions who to put various people in kill files.
-
- So I don't know what my exact feelings on it. At least with the
- bulliten board the sysop could say: "This is my sandbox if you want
- to play in it then you follow my rules." And it was clear that he
- owned and despite soliciting donations still contributed the lion's
- share of support and upkeep of the thing. It is not so clear with the
- next. For example, who in reality "owns" a newsgroup, as far as I
- can tell it is nobody, and it in unmoderated form it is pretty much
- self-maintaining. Despite the failures of this type of system I have
- always marveled that it works so well.
-
-
- Be Seeing You,
- sends steve
-
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- chroma@toad.com
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