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- From: johansc@hedda.uio.no (Johan Schimanski)
- Subject: Re: Latest F5 info
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- Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 15:26:40 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan28.065818.23032@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>,
- bobc@pyramid.unr.edu (Bob Conrad) wrote:
- >
- > In article <1k7nk5INN17u@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aa704@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jennifer Engel) writes:
- > >re: zines are only "punk" if they aren't sold for money, which is when they
- > >become minature magazines
-
- Bob, if you read Jennifer's post more carefully, you'll notice that this
- first statement is a "quote", and that she is actually arguing against it.
-
- Personally, I have published some 50-60 zines as of 1981, and only very few
- of them did I sell for money. Just the first one, Outbreak, I think, though
- some of the others had prices on them. Usually, if there was a price on
- them, it was just to discourage people who weren't really going to read the
- zine from buying it. Mostly I sent them in the mail to other
- zine-publishers and handed them to friends I happened to meet. What I got
- back was other zines, and contributions - even just a card saying thanks
- was kind of cute.
-
- Zines for me are something I do/did to stay alive, and I didn't mind using
- money on them (other people use money on other stuff, so...). Often I
- didn't have any money. Ok, how do you publish a zine on a minimal
- subsistence level without having to ask for money? Well, there are various
- methods. The main limitations are in time and space: if you want to go over
- to a non-capitalist economy of zines, the first step is to tell yourself
- that you are not interested in appearing regularly, and not interested in
- reaching more than 50-200 people.
-
- Printing: if you have to have xerox or offset, beg, borrow and steal.
- Friends, workplaces, friends' workplaces, etc. This is underground
- subversive stuff. I got a bit tired of it after a while, and moved over to
- stencil. To print with stencil (mimeograph) is an art, and luckily it is a
- fairly accepted form for sf-zines (I don't know, maybe punks are more
- picky?). All you need is a mimeo, and since mimeos are now an "outmoded"
- technology, it can be quite easy to get one cheap or even for free. Offices
- sell them and dump them, political organizations more than 15 years old
- usually have one in a back room, etc. For a time, we had 3 of them in our
- house. This is cheap, and has the added advantage that you have total
- control, because you are doing it at home.
-
- Distribution: there are various ways of getting round high prices. Swedish
- fans used to mail zines with 10 ┐re stamps on the envelopes, judging
- accurately that if you posted them in different mail-boxes, the post office
- would never find out. They often reuse stamps as well, and some of them
- used to spray soluble glue on the stamps so the reciever could remove the
- cancelling marks. Envelopes are of course also reusable, in fact reusing
- them is a good idea because it saves trees. And you can also co-operate on
- distribution. The Swedish Fanzine Society, for example, is an organization
- which exists solely to provide you with a) 6 packets of zines a year, and
- b) the right to distribute your zine to all the members in one (or more, or
- each) of these packets if you can get the right amount of zines to the
- distributors for each mailing (the distributor changes each time, in
- anarchic rotation). All this for 50 Swedish kroner each year; the price of
- a cheap meal here in Scandinavia. They have about 60 members. And then of
- course you have personal distribution at meetings and conventions.
-
- Of course, the material constraints of such a process have a lot to do with
- the contents of the zines produced - mostly very intertextual and
- interpersonal. This is the way sf fanzines work - at least those which are
- "post-sf" "meta-fannish" or whatever you might call it. If they at all talk
- of an economy, it is an economy of barter, called "Trade". You get the zine
- for "the usual" - your own zine in trade, or a contribution, say a letter
- of comment. But after a while, many zine communities end up with people
- sending each other zines just because they want to keep in contact, want
- people to read their stuff. The only zines of this type which you can get
- for money are newszines which come out on a regular basis, monthly,
- biweekly or weekly. They often operate with subscriptions, because they
- have to come out fast.
-
- So, there you have a few tools for getting out of the capitalist economy -
- I'm sorry if I sounded snobbish earlier, I don't look down on zines which
- take money as such; I don't like people who talk about EARNING money on
- zines, but I don't suppose anybody else out there likes them either.
- Oh; mail-art zines - do they usually take money?
-
- Johan Schimanski johan.schimanski@inl.uio.no
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